MAG-NZ launches in New Zealand

[jafar]

on the thoughts of advanced rider training I think it should be made complusory as part of gaining your full license

Far better to encourage new & returning riders to do the course because they want to than let the likes of nicky smith come up with another way to tax us out of existance.

[yungatart]

Far better to encourage new & returning riders to do the course because they want to than let the likes of nicky smith come up with another way to tax us out of existance.

Yep! Personal responsibility in a nutshell!

I have yet to get to changing my avatar

[Katman]

Oh to be so young and handsome.

Well I would certainly be stapling a copy of one to each job sheet I hand the customer.

What they do with it is their business.

And in fact, I don't need a shit load of them. I only need one that I can print off copies of.

[PrincessBandit]

Either way, I'm sure fracturing a minority has it's benefits.

Surely people can support both? Membership to both MAG and BRONZ is hardly budget blowing so there must be some way of working cooperatively rather than being seen automatically as "competitively"?

[Mom]

Surely people can support both? Membership to both MAG and BRONZ is hardly budget blowing so there must be some way of working cooperatively rather than being seen automatically as "competitively"?

Absolutely Dawn! We dont see ourselves as a threat to BRONZ, we simply have a different approach to things, and will appeal to a broader range of bikers in NZ than BRONZ does. Broader representation can not be a bad thing, as we are all on the same page regarding equity and safety when push comes to shove. We are looking forward to working with BRONZ in the times to come, to get the absolute best outcomes for our members.

[nodrog:Me]

I like how the President looks like she is naked in her profile photograph, that sealed the deal for me

Fanny

[The Stranger:Me]

Well I would certainly be stapling a copy of one to each job sheet I hand the customer.

What they do with it is their business.

And in fact, I don't need a shit load of them. I only need one that I can print off copies of.

I'm sure you would. But history would suggest that you are a minority.
How many people received their free RRRS voucher from bike shops? Wasn't country wide of course and I know a few did, but of the thousands printed only a few were returned.
Of little value perhaps but what about all those that got the free safety vests delivered to bike shops up and down the country courtesy of ACC. Well again, perhaps people just didn't want them. But the free copy of the Biker's Bible, now that would have been handy.
Did the bike shops distribute them? Well a few did, but judging by the numbers we got back not bloody many.

Just a history lesson is all katman. Not saying times haven't changed or that your idea wont work this time round. Perhaps you could take a new tack - you could pay the bike shops to distribute your message, I'm sure that would do it?

[MSTRS:Me]

Retailers are notoriously lazy, so dumping stuff on their doorstep isn't enough.
The trick is to get the shops involved.

[avgas]

While I do enjoy a good wank in the morning, this thread bores me.

Burn down the beehive.

[Rem]

We are currently writing policy on training. MAG believes in, and supports advanced rider training. We will be lobbying hard to get better access to advanced training for bikers around NZ. This ACTION - taking advanced rider training, falls under our umbrella of "Personal Action" and forms part of the MAG policy...

I'm pissed off we were sold out (by bike organizers / spokepersons) after BIKEO1
It seems they were after (and got) a share of the $30 levy imposed on us, so they could fund their own rider training schemes.

Do you have plans to apply for funding?

[Mom]

I'm pissed off we were sold out (by bike organizers / spokepersons) after BIKEO1. It seems they were after (and got) a share of the $30 levy imposed on us, so they could fund their own rider training schemes.

Do you have plans to apply for funding?

There have been no decisions made on how the $30 is being spent, right now it is all about consultation. If you could have a say on how it was used, what would you want to see happen?

We dont have plans to apply for any funding, but we do support having advanced rider training available, as inexpensively as possible, in as many areas in NZ, to as many riders that want to take advantage of it.

[The Stranger:Me]

Surely people can support both? Membership to both MAG and BRONZ is hardly budget blowing so there must be some way of working cooperatively rather than being seen automatically as "competitively"?

Hmm, sure people can support both, and why not?
Well that one is piss easy - apathy.

Surely there must be competition. Competition for support, competition for funds and surely competing ideas (if not why go to the trouble of re-inventing the wheel?).
Lets face it in most areas competition is good. Lobby groups (as with say unions and few others) though, well I'm not so sure that 2 small insignificant groups perhaps delivering different messages even is such a good thing.

Hey, not saying it shouldn't be done, or that it wont work and I'm more than happy to have people out there helping protect my interests for me. Just wondering at the logic is all

[DMNTD:Me]

My thoughts would be that training that the rider "wants" to do will always be more effective than the training s/he is "forced" to do - there is a drive to succeed and improve vs. a barrier that just needs to be overcome..... in this sense the personal choice of the rider becomes a major benefit not disadvantage

Got to disagree on that one. There are way too many current riders,returning riders and even n00bies that genuinely believe that their riding is 'good' when it most certainly is not.
I don't like to be forced into doing anything but if the desired result is to up skill all motorcyclists on the road then I believe it will need to be made mandatory.

[Bald Eagle]

Got to disagree on that one. There are way too many current riders,returning riders and even n00bies that genuinely believe that their riding is 'good' when it most certainly is not.
I don't like to be forced into doing anything but if the desired result is to up skill all motorcyclists on the road then I believe it will need to be made mandatory.

Mandatory only works if the "cost of compliance" is not excessive and going by the ACC costing model that's most unlikely. Ergo mandatory upskilling will result in less compliance and no increase in skill levels.

It's one thing to drag the horse to water, another to make it drink, and if it has to pay it's going to kick.

[DMNTD:Me]

Mandatory only works if the "cost of compliance" is not excessive and going by the ACC costing model that's most unlikely. Ergo mandatory upskilling will result in less compliance and no increase in skill levels.

It's one thing to drag the horse to water, another to make it drink, and if it has to pay it's going to kick.

Understood...however I still believe that a new level of licensing system needs to be implemented sooner than later.
So sure, maybe not the existing holders but the new applicants...