could catch a monkey
Do parents actually rely on the State system to educate their spawn soley??
No wonder the country's in the proverbial.....
Funnily enough, I looked at teaching once upon a time. The pay and the fact you weren't allowed to smack the living bejesus out of some little shit who desparately deserved a good choking put me off.
Originally Posted by rachprice
Grumpy Old Bastard
I used to do that anyway - on occasion...
I also swore at the odd kid - usually by mistake. On the first day back after the summer holiday some kid was poking the borax at my class through the fence around the swimming pool. Without thinking I turned and said "look - just fuck off willya!"
The kid hooted with laughter and went running off shouting at the top of his bloody little voice "Mr T said FUCK OFF Mr T said FUCK OFF..." Little bastard...
. No pleasure is worth giving up for two more years in a rest home. Kingsley Amis
Anarchic Wild Child
The level playing field is a myth that only assists the cream ... to produce more cream at the top more effort needs to go to the mid and lower ends, not the top ...
Think of how big the gap between the top and the bottom wouild become if we did it your way - and then the social consequences of that ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
The top students come from homes that value education and they tend to be helped by their parents ... which is why they are top students .. and probably have parents who were helped by the parents at school
The bottom students come from homes where education is not valued asnd where they get no help .. and possibly the opposite - so they and their children, etc etc .. stay at the bottom ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Come warm yourself by the fire
Tis sad but true.
However this cycle does not have to continue. Many families have broken this loop.
However likewise it would not be such a good thing if ALL broke this loop. Society does need the lower caste. If we had a world full of managers we would be fucked.
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Come warm yourself by the fire
bloody hell that sounds pretty sweet.
I have had nearly 2 in the last 13 months.
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Anarchic Wild Child
Yeah ... naaa ... If you work 60 to 70 hours some weeks during term time .. put up with the crap and shit ... and the students as well ... you need a break or you'd go crazy and do something else ...
Teaching is the most fatiguing job I've ever had and without the breaks I wouldn't do it
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Rider in training
I'm sick of the teachers complaining.
I know plenty of people wanting a job at the moment. I would say most of them wouldn't care what they got paid - they just want a job.
And here we have a bunch of people, effectively guaranteed job security, wanting both an increase in their wages and even more of themselves to be employed, whilke the rest of the country struggles thanks to a global recession.
The teachers should be gratefull to have a guanateed pay check every week during these tough times.
I'm not sorry. They need to pull their heads in, and appreciate that they have it pretty sweet compared to many. Wait till times are a bit better before putting your hand out.
The instructions are simple...
Bullshit. If everyone gets a little help them across the board, everyone benefits.
Look - it's this simple...
Little William has an IQ of 130, he gets nothing. He has plenty of ability/potential.
Little Andrew has an IQ of 100, he gets nothing (or so little as to be useless). He 'might' get a job in a factory or office cleaner or something. If he's lucky.
Little Johnny has an IQ of 80, he gets 'plenty' extra help. He's 19, and can now do up his own shoe laces.
The point is the help is wasted being concentrated at the bottom end.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Easy Biker
Mrs merv teaches and works hours like I wouldn't ever want to contemplate.
One thing that irks her is that when she started teaching in the 70's a teacher was paid about the same as a backbench MP. Now those wonderful people in Parliament have made sure that there are more of them, to do less work each, and what do you know, they are now paid about double what a teacher is.
This is the problem, the jobs where there are plenty of people required - teachers, nurses, Police etc are always held back because any small % rise still costs the country a fortune, but it is so easy to give 120 MP's a rise, or CEO's that take huge rises to forever double their salaries while the share price of their organisations fall.
The parity has gone to hell as far as I can see and the teachers have a valid gripe for the work they do.
Cheers
Merv
Come warm yourself by the fire
There is also data that says if Johnny is not helped at all - there is just as much chance he too may succeed.
I was quite amazed by that.
Will see if I can dig up the study - but I did read this nearly 10 years ago.
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mini meeeeeee
I'd be very interested in reading that if you can find it. There are some who just do not want to be helped. At all. They have either big dreams but no inclination to put in the hard graft to achieve it, or no dreams and that doesn't bother them. Others will have the proverbial light bulb come on in their heads at some stage and realise that making effort themselves instead of expecting everyone else to do it for them makes achievement more realistic (and rewarding).
My pet hate is the quiet ones with moderate ability being left to sink or swim because the noisy wheels get all the attention. The quiet plodders tend to get no assistance because they don't draw attention to themselves and are therefore simply overlooked. Shouldn't happen, and a good teacher will endeavour to rectify it, but with so many little sods to deal with it's not an easy task!
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He-e-e-e-res Johnny!
That is based on the 5 hour school day, it doesn't take into account all the hours teacher work before and after and during holidays. I know my wife is a teacher, it is a full on job which is not paid enough. The workload is getting hugely bigger and so are the class sizes.
Watchful Old Bird
My wife also teaches secondary and the class time /teaching is probably less than 15% of her working hours. Her effective hourly rate is a single digit.
Anarchic Wild Child
Bullshit example.
Have a look at another of my post - it depends on the home life and how much the family values education ...
Someone wuith an IQ below 100 (even though I think that's a bullshit measure of nothing ...) is never going to be a high achiever, no matter how much effort is put in .. and in schools it probably isn't ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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