Just in case you didn't think you were a second class citizen...

[riffer]

Yes, but the crown is just a body representing the puiblic (or it's suppossed to be). As such we own the crown so, indirectly, we own anything they own.

Don't go there mate. That one's as contentious as who owns the seabed and foreshore.

[onearmedbandit]

Yes, but the crown is just a body representing the puiblic (or it's suppossed to be). As such we own the crown so, indirectly, we own anything they own.

No problem. But as I also said, regardless at the end of the day who owns them is irrelevant, they are managed by the government. And as such, if we want to use them then there is laws we have to observe, once again including the power for the police to pull anyone over at anytime. Doesn't mean I like it, doesn't mean I observe all their laws either. But I know the game, and I make my own choices.

[red mermaid]

Interestingly I recently read a court decision that said the roads were owned by an entity and the public could be trespassed from them.

[PrincessBandit]

Interestingly I recently read a court decision that said the roads were owned by an entity and the public could be trespassed from them.

imagine if they decided that all motorcycles were "trespassers"....... Mass revolt anyone??

[Grubber]

This sure beats Coronation Street,remember that old song "vodeo killed the radio star".they should make another "the interweb turned motorcyclists into a bunch of whingers".Jesus, cry me a farking river.

You got that right in one....poor bastards know the law and flout it, but don't like it when they get picked on.

When did we start talking about them searching your car? They have to have suspicion first, most likely under the misuse of drugs act.

And rego/wof/license are legal requirements to use your vehicle on the public road. They are there for a reason, even if they are not highly effective. By making sure unsafe cars and unsafe drivers are off the roads, the safer it is for everyone else.

If you stay within the boundaries somewhat they will leave you alone. Don't give them any reason to look at you and they won't. Pretty fuckin simple i reckon. Dable in drugs or speed and you can expect to get the once over.

Cmon Johnny Boy... what's with the attitude? What if they were also warning riders of possible dangers that they wouldn't otherwise know about? Even a simple reminder to stay away from the center line on your pootle over the coro loop might be the thought in the back of your mind that saves your life.

I know that I've been quite lucky to get away with my life on a number of occasions where I wasn't in the wrong.

Funnily enough, from being involved with the BRONZ RRRS I for one know that the people who often need the most training and education are the ones who say they know it all and don't need any help. I know you're an experienced rider but no doubt there will be something that even you might gain from the little lecture. Maybe save the 'holier than thou' spiel til after you've actually been stopped and confirmed for or against that they really are just wasting our time and wanting to discriminate and incriminate us like so many seem to think.

Very right. Plenty of us that have been around for some time can become a little too complacent with our skills. Can't do any harm to have somewhat of a refresher now and then.
Don't think discrimination comes into it. All trafic at one time or another gets a curry up for misbehaving on certain stretches of road. We aren't the only ones out there that use the roads.

No problem. But as I also said, regardless at the end of the day who owns them is irrelevant, they are managed by the government. And as such, if we want to use them then there is laws we have to observe, once again including the power for the police to pull anyone over at anytime. Doesn't mean I like it, doesn't mean I observe all their laws either. But I know the game, and I make my own choices.

Think we could all relate to this once in a while. No one here is a saint, we all know what we get up to now don't we. So play the game and face the consequences if ya get caught and then get on with it.

[Katman]

Some euro group did a report on thier version of wofs, made for some very interesting reading, I had a look for it again but I can't find it.... anyway, iirc 0.7% of accidents are caused by vehicle issues, and of that 0.7 the majority were simple things like tyres etc that would likely to wear down between checks anyway. Their recommendation was to do without them, as the economic burden was greater than the potential benefits.

You don't think that maybe the fact that only 0.7% of accidents were caused by vehicle issues might have something to do with the fact that the WOF process was in place?

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.

[Scuba_Steve]

You don't think that maybe the fact that only 0.7% of accidents were caused by vehicle issues might have something to do with the fact that the WOF process was in place?

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.

Thats always argued but then the place we like to copy (Victoria) don't have WOF's and they're "vehicle issue" crashes are also low. Also the WOF system here does nothing to guarantee safety as proven again recently by the truck passed with 21 major faults.

[Katman]

Also the WOF system here does nothing to guarantee safety as proven again recently by the truck passed with 21 major faults.

I'm not suggesting that there aren't organisations that should have their issuing authority revoke.

I do WOF inspections on motorcycles just about every day. Some of the faults that I find (that the owners are blissfully unaware of) are truly disturbing.

[duckonin]

I do WOF inspections on motorcycles just about every day. Some of the faults that I find (that the owners are blissfully unaware of) are truly disturbing.

And katman 'these faults' would be as a matter of interest for others to note, "would be"?

[Mom]

And katman 'these faults' would be as a matter of interest for others to note, "would be"?

Well, I will have a stab at one fault. My bike managed to "pass" a WOF with blown fork seals twice

[MSTRS:Me]

Touché
However I will say that while WOF's and license's are there "for a good reason" all they do nowadays is show that you've given the the Govt money.

Pedantic correction...the rego is proof that you've given money to the govt. You can't get a rego on a vehicle that does not have a current wof. The presumption (of the system) is that a rego'd vehicle is of a safe standard.

Cmon Johnny Boy... what's with the attitude? What if they were also warning riders of possible dangers that they wouldn't otherwise know about? Even a simple reminder to stay away from the center line on your pootle over the coro loop might be the thought in the back of your mind that saves your life.

I know that I've been quite lucky to get away with my life on a number of occasions where I wasn't in the wrong.

Funnily enough, from being involved with the BRONZ RRRS I for one know that the people who often need the most training and education are the ones who say they know it all and don't need any help. I know you're an experienced rider but no doubt there will be something that even you might gain from the little lecture. Maybe save the 'holier than thou' spiel til after you've actually been stopped and confirmed for or against that they really are just wasting our time and wanting to discriminate and incriminate us like so many seem to think.

To an extent I agree with you, but my 'attitude' remains.
True, I may not know it all (who does?) but that fact is I know enough to keep myself safe. At least, as safe as it is possible, bearing in mind that I believe accidents are not fore-seeable, or avoidable. Crashes, on the other hand...
I am not going to be interested in what a pimply faced boy in a uniform tells me about 'riding safely', or indeed a gnarly 30 year veteran (which is the length of service put in by several, who have killed/near killed motorcyclists by their oh-so-safe turning manoeuvres lately).

[riffer]

Well, I will have a stab at one fault. My bike managed to "pass" a WOF with blown fork seals twice

And you TWICE presented your motorcycle for a WOF either knowing that you had a bike that was not fit to be on the road, or you had no idea of what constituted a safe vehicle.

Either way, that's a bad look Anne.

[riffer]

Pedantic correction...the rego is proof that you've given money to the govt. You can't get a rego on a vehicle that does not have a current wof. The presumption (of the system) is that a rego'd vehicle is of a safe standard.

Semantics John. I read it that you cannot apply to operate a vehicle on the road unless you can prove that it is safe to do so.

[Mom]

And you TWICE presented your motorcycle for a WOF either knowing that you had a bike that was not fit to be on the road, or you had no idea of what constituted a safe vehicle.

Either way, that's a bad look Anne.

Troll. Much.

No, I did not know the fork seals were blown the first time, I had bought the bike off trade me as is, it had no WOF, I rode it directly to a WOF issuer (dont have a trailer/ute) and obtained a brand new sparkling WOF. Was not until I had the bike at home and was cleaning it that I saw the fork issue. I immediately fixed the seals and fork legs that had caused the seals to blow.

The second time is much the same as the first, except this time Maha took the bike for the WOF, it had been rego on hold and not ridden for several months as I had an injury that prevented me from riding. It came back with a lovely new WOF and the tell tale signs that the fork seals were again leaking.

[MSTRS:Me]

Semantics John. I read it that you cannot apply to operate a vehicle on the road unless you can prove that it is safe to do so.

Strange how we see things, eh?
I'd argue that one pays money to the Wof issuer for him to check your vehicle meets 'the standard'. Assuming it has met that standard, then you have 6 months (or 12 for new/er vehicles) to pay money to the govt to get a permit to use your vehicle on a public road.