Biker down. Yep I just got bowled...

**shrub** · 9th November 2010, 08:13

Originally Posted by Luckylegs

Fair enough, but dont post if your gonna make sh*t up !

I didn't make anything up. 50 kmh is 15 metres per second and I read "The kindergarten driveway is about a further 15 metres beyond Elliott Ave. If you couldn't safely brake in that distance you shouldn't be on a bike." The distance cited was 15 metres, so it's logical to assume that the distance under discussion is 15 metres.

I have no idea where Elliott Ave is and if Katman really wanted to prove how clever he was he should have specified the total distance. Do you know how far it is from the pedestrian crossing on Lakeview Terrace to the dairy? Could you stop in that distance?

**MSTRS:Me** · 9th November 2010, 08:13

Looking at the map/street view...there is plenty of room between the crossing and Elliott Ave. A bike right by the crossing would have tons of braking time, and a vehicle coming out of Elliott Ave would rightly believe they had no need to give way. This is assuming that the bike (or straight through vehicle) wasn't speeding.
I make no such assumptions about Phreak in that regard. He appears to be a very sensible young man, who unfortunately chose the wrong response in this case. I'm sorry, mate, but if you were anywhere near that crossing, then going around the car should not have even been an option.

Hey! Hold the bus. It might even be my fault....
I was talking to him last w/e about the theory behind riding smooth. As part of that 'lesson', I told him the engine was for controlling speed, and the brakes are for stopping or emergency slowing.

**Luckylegs** · 9th November 2010, 08:20

Originally Posted by shrub

...a further 15 metres beyond Elliott Ave......

The bold'd text really should've given it away

**Phreak** · 9th November 2010, 08:28

As previously stated, I cannot remember where I was exactly when I saw the car coming out of Eliott Ave, but I am pretty sure I had passed through the pedestrian crossing...

And no, it's not your fault MSTRS, I completely understood the point you were making about smooth riding and using the engine to control speed. Thanks though.

**Katman** · 9th November 2010, 08:29

Originally Posted by Luckylegs

The bold'd text really should've given it away

Shrub's not too good with letters or numbers.

Originally Posted by shrub

and if Katman really wanted to prove how clever he was he should have specified the total distance.

8 lbs 12 oz.

**That looks like fun** · 9th November 2010, 09:37

There are those in life who believe that every incident/accident is "totally" avoidable. Some go to management school and are taught this, others just grow up believing it. They love to find the "root cause" of the accident because they know it will always be human error as defined by their logic.

So around we the great unwashed rabble they built their systems and procedures to protect us from ourselves

However invariably we fail to follow correctly the precise wording of some procedure (had a button undone on Hi-Vis jacket directly causing accident

) so they stand a little taller on the soapbox and bang the drum a little louder because eventually the peasants will realize that it is all for their own good

At a tool box meeting I attended one fine morning a fellow "perfect" driver stood on his hind legs and informed the boss that it was time he made an example of some of the plebs as there were to many small incidents occurring!!!

He then drove out of the yard and straight into the side of a locomotive

Took the windscreen wipers off and caused him to defecate

Do I accept what katman says to be true? yes

I accept it as a truth, however I prefer to deal with reality. The world is not perfect nor am I

Its always nice too hear kids enjoying themselves, but after a while it gets really annoying listening to that tin drum they are banging on. So like a certain Chinese man says
Make your point, and walk away

**That looks like fun** · 9th November 2010, 11:05

The answer is to become part of the solution, the danger is in becoming a part of the problem

**Swoop** · 9th November 2010, 12:42

Originally Posted by That looks like fun

There are those in life who believe that every incident/accident is "totally" avoidable.

Called "OSH" representatives, (iirc).

**shrub** · 9th November 2010, 13:40

Originally Posted by Edbear

My main beef with Katman is his steadfast refusal to acknowledge he wasn't there, does not know how close Phreak was and judges Phreak as at fault. He doesn't know Phreak or how careful, (or not), a rider he is, yet is happy to adversely judge others in absentia, automatically assuming the rider was at fault for not being able to avoid the accident. His attitude is juvenile, judgmental and arrogant. He obviously places himself as superior to others, even those as experienced as Terbang, and seems incapable of compassion or empathy, or even of recognising he wasn't there to make any kind of objective assessment based on eyewitness view.

Precisely. As I see it, a car pulled out in front of Phreak and he made a judgement call that would have been fine if the car driver hadn't then (stupidly) decided to do a right turn. I don't know Phreak, but he sounds like a guy who loves his bike, is reasonably new to riding and is doing everything right, including getting training. He had a crash, and despite knowing nothing about the event katman decides to crucify him. Maybe if he had been as good a rider as Katman claims tlo be, he would have been fine, but I doubt any of us are as good as Katman claims to be.

Where the hell is the "Bad luck mate, glad you're not hurt and I hope this doesn't put you off riding"?

**Luckylegs** · 9th November 2010, 13:46

Originally Posted by shrub

Precisely. As I see it, a car pulled out in front of Phreak and he made a judgement call that would have been fine if the car driver hadn't then (stupidly) decided to do a right turn. I don't know Phreak, but he sounds like a guy who loves his bike, is reasonably new to riding and is doing everything right, including getting training. He had a crash, and despite knowing nothing about the event katman decides to crucify him. Maybe if he had been as good a rider as Katman claims tlo be, he would have been fine, but I doubt any of us are as good as Katman claims to be.

Where the hell is the "Bad luck mate, glad you're not hurt and I hope this doesn't put you off riding"?

I HATE YOU FOR TURNING ME INTO KATMAN, BUT!!!!!!!

What your now saying, is that, when making a right turn on a sngle lane road, I am now obligated to ensure I'm not being overtaken at the same time ????, or that someone is not driving the wrong way up the lane im crossing. Sorry, this may be an accident, but to keep repeatedly blaming the car when it looks less and and less likely they were COMPLETELY (Emphasised to aid with your comprehension) at fault is just bizarre!

And, despite this, I believe I have offered Phreak the "Bad luck mate etc etc etc bit".

**Fatt Max** · 9th November 2010, 13:54

yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah,

Look, I made a point earlier and noone seems to care,

Is it just me that thinks he is a great kisser....??

**Edbear** · 9th November 2010, 14:01

Originally Posted by Fatt Max

yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah,

Look, I made a point earlier and noone seems to care,

Is it just me that thinks he is a great kisser....??

Well, I could hardly comment as for myself, but how many other blokes have ambushed him and pashed him..?

**baptist** · 9th November 2010, 14:02

Originally Posted by Luckylegs

I HATE YOU FOR TURNING ME INTO KATMAN, BUT!!!!!!!

What your now saying, is that, when making a right turn on a sngle lane road, I am now obligated to ensure I'm not being overtaken at the same time ????, or that someone is not driving the wrong way up the lane im crossing. Sorry, this may be an accident, but to keep repeatedly blaming the car when it looks less and and less likely they were COMPLETELY (Emphasised to aid with your comprehension) at fault is just bizarre!

And, despite this, I believe I have offered Phreak the "Bad luck mate etc etc etc bit".

Are you not supposed to check your mirror / look over your shoulder and signal for three seconds (or as long as you have if the turnings are close) before any turning manouver? did the car driver do this I wonder? if he did maybe he would have seen the bike he had just pulled out in front of.