Biker down. Yep I just got bowled...

[shrub]

I'm not surprised.

You're that stupid you can barely even read the lines, let alone between them.

Quite. So which post did he say that in please.

[shrub]

No one injured only property damage lesson learnt. 16 years ago I was charged with careless driving, I was making a right hand turn into a country layby, the car behind overtook me and slammed into the side of me knocking me unconscious. I was charged with careless driving (driver and witness in car behind said I wasn´t indicating). I´m as certain as I can be I was indicating - I was knocked unconscious so I don´t remember too well much about it at all. Lesson learned - check your stern before you turn... Regardless if you think you have right of way or not.

So what you're saying is that you're supposed to check behind you before you make a right turn? Somebody needs to tell luckylegs before he ends up in trouble.

[dipshit]

Quite. So which post did he say that in please.

Ummm... so he couldn't slow his bike down from 45 km/h to avoid running into the back of a car travelling in the same direction...??? Yeah right.

[Luckylegs]

You have a lovely selection of posts for me to cringe over:

The best is probably: "when making a right turn on a sngle lane road, I am now obligated to ensure I'm not being overtaken at the same time ????". In New Zealand we drive on the left and overtake on the right of the vehicle we're passing. Therefore when turning right it's a really, really good idea to look in your right mirror before you turn in case someone is overtaking (which they're entitled to do). The same goes for doing right hand U turns - people who don't look have taken a lot of bikers out over the years.

We generally however move to the far right of the lane we are travelling in (IE essentially right wheels, or in the case of bikes, the RIGHT wheels on the white centre line. Before or during this we will check the state of the nation around us (incl. checking blind spots etc etc). Now, given this, anyone overtaking is doing it in the wrong lane.

Now if there is no oncoming traffic we will slow but not stop and turn into the driveway, road. Its unlikely anyone is going to overtake (on the wrong side of the road) in this stance If there is oncoming traffic obviously we'll have to come to a stop but its a safe bet no-ones going to overtake if this is the case and will either have to also come to a stop or pass on the left

Note: The caveat to this is that the turning car indicates appropriately

Then just to prove you don't really understand this thing called "driving", you said: "but... are you telling me you do a head check and or check your mirror (the right one) when pulling into a driveway (on your right)??? "

the answer is, yes. It's a really, really, really good idea and if you continue to make right turns without seeing the need to look in your right mirror you will take someone out. I just hope it's a big arse truck and not a motorcycle.

Might I suggest you take up catching the bus and sell your bikes before you kill yourself?

Nah, perhaps you should direct some of your wisdom to the person who actually had the accident.

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Ummm... so he couldn't slow his bike down from 45 km/h to avoid running into the back of a car travelling in the same direction...??? Yeah right.

In other words he didn't.

[Luckylegs]

Quite. So which post did he say that in please.

fuckin look for yourself you lazy prick, like I did when you quoted me above from a post from yesterday sometime

[shrub]

We generally however move to the far right of the lane we are travelling in (IE essentially right wheels, or in the case of bikes, the RIGHT wheels on the white centre line. Before or during this we will check the state of the nation around us (incl. checking blind spots etc etc). Now, given this, anyone overtaking is doing it in the wrong lane.

Now if there is no oncoming traffic we will slow but not stop and turn into the driveway, road. Its unlikely anyone is going to overtake (on the wrong side of the road) in this stance If there is oncoming traffic obviously we'll have to come to a stop but its a safe bet no-ones going to overtake if this is the case and will either have to also come to a stop or pass on the left

Note: The caveat to this is that the turning car indicates appropriately



Nah, perhaps you should direct some of your wisdom to the person who actually had the accident.

I see. So if your wheels are on the white line you don't need to look in your mirror? And how long before you make the turn is it OK to have had a look around? 1 second? 10 seconds? 1 minute?

And when overtaking, I take it you don't ever go into the opposing lane?

Been riding long?

And I'm sure phreak would love to direct some of my wisdom to the car driver.

[shrub]

fuckin look for yourself you lazy prick, like I did when you quoted me above from a post from yesterday sometime

In other words he didn't. Thank you, you've said all you need to say.

[Luckylegs]

No one injured only property damage lesson learnt. 16 years ago I was charged with careless driving, I was making a right hand turn into a country layby, the car behind overtook me and slammed into the side of me knocking me unconscious. I was charged with careless driving (driver and witness in car behind said I wasn´t indicating). I´m as certain as I can be I was indicating - I was knocked unconscious so I don´t remember too well much about it at all. Lesson learned - check your stern before you turn... Regardless if you think you have right of way or not.

... They hit you on the right hand side of the centre line? Were you stationary before turning? how far did you get through the manoever, IE TBoned or hit diagonally?

[jonbuoy]

... They hit you on the right hand side of the centre line? Were you stationary before turning? how far did you get through the manoever, IE TBoned or hit diagonally?

sorry, question(s)

Yup T boned in a cage he hit me in the drivers side door door pillar hit me on the side of the head. Not stationary at the time but not moving very quickly. I thought I was in the right didn´t even get a lawyer for making the police statement. If there was no witness it would have been a 50/50, as there was an "independant" witness to say I failed to make my intentions clear (indicate) I was at fault - careless driving points on my licence.

[Luckylegs]

I see. So if your wheels are on the white line you don't need to look in your mirror? And how long before you make the turn is it OK to have had a look around? 1 second? 10 seconds? 1 minute?

And when overtaking, I take it you don't ever go into the opposing lane?

Been riding long?

And I'm sure phreak would love to direct some of my wisdom to the car driver.

While waiting to turn: Left wing mirror, Rearview mirror, watching for activity at and around the intersection almost contantly (Just not the right mirror). Bearing (sp) in mind that my initial comment aksed about 'obligation' also not whether its a good idea.

And when overtaking... Of course I do, BUT! I dont overtake cars waiting to turn right (particularly if indicating), ive also not seen (in 18 odd years of motoring) anyone else do it.

[Luckylegs]

Yup T boned in a cage he hit me in the drivers side door door pillar hit me on the side of the head. Not stationary at the time but not moving very quickly. I thought I was in the right didn´t even get a lawyer for making the police statement. If there was no witness it would have been a 50/50, as there was an "independant" witness to say I failed to make my intentions clear (indicate) I was at fault - careless driving points on my licence.

Eeek eh? Its still one in a million (or 3 or 4 etc) but nonetheless...

[Phreak]

Bloody hell but there are some morons on this forum...

Hey Katman, how about I find out where you ride regularly and pull out in front of you in my big four wheel drive, with a distance of less than 30 metres, see if you have time to stop? Bet you fricken don't. Figure you'd probably be so full of yourself that not even God himself could possibly strike you off your bike, or any other way for that matter...

What's your rego? LOL... If my Dad was a cop I'd be telling him to keep an eye out for it!

Oh, and on another note, isn't it required in a license test for the driver to be checking his mirrors roughly every five seconds...? So, if you were about to turn right into a driveway or some such idea, wouldn't you be supposed to check your mirrors either when you make the turn or within five seconds of before making the turn? AND, aren't you supposed to indicate for a minimum of three seconds before executing a turn...? Pretty sure that was the case when I sat my license... Sure as hell the driver of the car I hit didn't indicate a right turn for those three seconds!

Someone should make a book "How to stay alive on a motorcycle"... Only if I were them I definitely wouldn't be listening to some of the bullshit that flies on this forum. Meanwhile, I can proudly say that thanks to my good gear, I escaped with only bumps and bruises (not a huge bill for the ACC, as indicated by some members here), and will live to ride again. ATGATT in my opinion, you never know when you'll need it - even just out of your own driveway like I did.

For what it's worth, I wish to personally thank all the KB members that have been keeping my spirits up with kind messages, they have been greatly appreciated.

[shrub]

While waiting to turn: Left wing mirror, Rearview mirror, watching for activity at and around the intersection almost contantly (Just not the right mirror). Bearing (sp) in mind that my initial comment aksed about 'obligation' also not whether its a good idea.

And when overtaking... Of course I do, BUT! I dont overtake cars waiting to turn right (particularly if indicating), ive also not seen (in 18 odd years of motoring) anyone else do it.

OK, so when turning right you look in your left and rear view mirrors, but not your right mirror? Interesting approach, I'm surprised you've made 18 years, you're one lucky bastard.

[shrub]

Bloody hell but there are some morons on this forum.

You got it mate, you got it in one, but the sad part is the attitude of people like katman, dipshit et al. Katman has taken on a one man (plus dipshit) crusade to get motorcyclists to take more responsibility for their accidents and stop blaming car drivers for everything, and in it itself that is commendable, but they seem to have forgotten that some crashes are outside of a rider's control.

Yeah, in hindsight it would have been a better idea for you to hit the picks and stop instead of overtaking, but what indication did you have that the car driver was going to do anything other than carry on in the same direction? Or maybe even if you had been on a loud bike and had the "fuck you cager" attitude you’ve been accused of, and screamed past at full throttle he might have heard you and not turned - they do say loud pipes save lives.
Or maybe if you had stopped and had a coffee before you left home, or maybe if he had left 10 seconds earlier, or maybe if space aliens had landed in front of you or... Lots of things would have changed the outcome, but they didn't and now your pride and joy is broken; and for a biker that really sucks.

But the thing that really saddens me though is the way people immediately seemed to think it was all your fault and that you had a bad attitude, so climbed into you and that's NOT motorcycling as I know it. I'm an old fart these days, but I remember when bikers looked out for each other and if there was doubt, the benefit of that doubt went with the fellow bikers. Sure, it's all very PC to blame the biker for everything, but fuck being PC. What the hell happened to the words “biker down” meaning “one of us is down, rally round” instead of “how can we make the poor bastard feel even worse?”

And you’ve been riding around 3 years, so you don’t have the experience (yet) that might have had you hitting the picks because you had a bad feeling about things. You’re passionate about bikes and are doing everything right – ATTGATT and rider training. What the hell else do idiots like katman expect you to do? Take a magic pill and ride like Rossi? Did they not have offs when they were still building their ks? I certainly did, and unlike your off they were mostly my fault. At least you know that looking in your mirror before you turn is important.

Nuff said. It saddens me to see people turning on a young biker when he comes here to get a bit of support and encouragement after an off that wasn’t his fault.
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