In your esteemed opinion what would happen to public attitude if there were no fatalities on bikes in an entire year? I suspect it wouldn't even make the front page.Originally Posted by Katman
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In your esteemed opinion what would happen to public attitude if there were no fatalities on bikes in an entire year? I suspect it wouldn't even make the front page.
No one likes good news.
Forum whore
It wouldn't really matter if it didn't make the front page.
At least we'd have a rock solid figure to batter ACC to death with.
Forum whore
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the road policing groups nationwide do far more than write speeding tickets.
I'm been putting my mind over the last couple of years to how to get people to pay attention while driving. I have some ideas, but it all comes down to each individual recognising that it is them and only them that they can change. Like, if we all took responsibility for our own driving instead of blaming everything on everyone else, things would improve overnight.
Driving around while giving bugger all thought to it, now, that's a recipe for disaster. However, it is also a learned behaviour. Most people having been driving around badly for years, and not had a negative consequence. What they learn (subconsciously) from that is that there is no need for them to make any effort to change. Then one day their inattention or bad driving leads to an adverse outcome, and suddenly they see what went wrong. Or not. The other option is that they go with societal norms, and look for someone else to blame, through the psychological process of denial.
It is a very, very complex area. It partly explains why the popos do what they can do, and leave the things that are bloody challenging to change.
I've asked plenty of times before, but what is it you'd like the popos to do to improve drivers attention-deficit-disorder?
Forum whore
Spot on Ratus. I reckon a licence should cost 10K + 240 hours of driving practice WITH an instructor and the same to get it back if you lose it. Money is the only incentive to improve behaviour. Fines don't work. Fine people up front and make driving a privilege that costs money instead of the Instant Kiwi scratch-fest after a couple of hours with Dad at 7am on a Sunday morning.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Forum whore
A-Fucking-Diddly-Doodly-men.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
GOOD ROADS, NUTHIN 2 RIDE
A glowing epitaph on kb?
or #55+- of this years road toll, that's ALL your life is reduced to.
Just a statistic to be debated ad nauseam by anyone who who has a barrow to push.
"Your talent determines what you can do. Your motivation determines how much you are willing to do. Your attitude determines how well you do it."
-Lou Holtz
dodgy is as dodgy does
Very true, imagine if everyone drove their cars as though they were in control of 2 tonnes of steel and glass travelling at 15 - 30 meters per second that had the potential to kill in a nano second, and with all kinds of evil projectiles ready to spike into their floppy bits and loved ones. And at the same time if motorcyclists rode as though they were flying through the air just above the ground at the same speed, only with steel level with their nads things might change.
Driving and riding is a very, very risky thing to do and it's a bloody miracle more people don't die and get horribly messed up.
Personally I would rather popo chased bad people and did "proper" police work, and if a comprehensive process of education and tough as fuck driver licensing was imposed. Many years ago I started to learn how to fly planes, and while getting a pilots license is a bloody big job, keeping it is a challenge. this is what i'd like:
1. Everyone going for a license to be required to keep a log book recording conditions, distance covered etc, and for licenses not to be issued until people can show that they have driven open road, night time etc
2. People who get ticketed for specific offenses be required to resit their licenses and keep a log book
3. If you haven't used a class of license for more than (say) 5 years you lose it and need to resit. I have a heavy trade but haven't driven a truck for over 15 years - letting me behind the wheel of a truck would be terrifying.
4. Everyone have to resit their license every 10 years and undergo a medical.
5. Part of getting a license would be formal training and that would include teaching people the outcomes of fucking up.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
Mandatory driver training - anyone caught breaking the rules of the road (speeding, failing to give way, failing to keep left, running red lights, etc) is force to spend money & time on driver training. For a serious offence 10 days driver training might mean giving up 5 weekends and maybe $100 per day, for 119kph speeding then it might only be 1 Saturday + $100.
If someone thinks that they shouldn't have to do extra training because they know it all then they could prove it by driving/riding legally & safely.
There should also be more testing to get the license originally and there should be voluntary training available for anyone that just want to improve their skills & safety.
I'd rather my taxes subsidize some training then pay for the care of people injured by bad drivers. i.e. better signs & safety barriers instead of just parking an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
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"If the cops didn't see it, I didn't do it!"
- George Carlin (RIP)
Forum whore
Drivers aren't the only issue.
People that spread shit (any sort of shit. Cow poo, desks, mattresses, carpets, bits off vehicles) on the road, people who let stock wander on the road, Psychilsts who run red lights as a habit, pedestrians who step off the kerb without a moments thought (that's a tragedy btw, Motorcyclists fucking ask for it according to the media), and worst of all, roading professionals who don't sign road works correctly and don't clean up their mess when they finish all deserve the death penalty.
Ban 1%ers, and anyone wearing chaps, a leather vest and fingerless gloves while we're at it.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
dodgy is as dodgy does
Add fake "novelty" german helmets and you have my vote
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Forum whore
Done!Add fake "novelty" german helmets and you have my vote
But not "real" open face helmets and goggles. They're cool.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Bogeyman
It’s not something you can “get” people to do. It’s not even behaviour they can change themselves.
Fuck all in fact. Yes it’s a very very complex area, just accept that it’s not something within your control and move on. Preferably without spending too much of my money in the meantime. If, when you find you have control of the design of roading and its attendant infrastructure then feel free to ask again.
And the historic scientific foundation upon which you’ve assembled this idea is what?
I’d suggest any such policy set would, if pursued beyond a minimum would be universally ignored. I know I’d ignore it, and I could afford it.
I’ll have a wee shove. I’ll expect someone else to supply the ammo though.
How many driver hours were clocked up on NZ roads last year?
And how many hours did it take before someone died?
How did that stack up compared to the other ways people choose to die?
Anyone?
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Forum whore
Practically any Western European licensing system.
However where the point you've raised comes to the fore is that respect for individual human life takes a precedence over individual "needs" in a lot of Western European cultures. Their approach to life is different to our "me first" attitude, hence why political protest is so effective in those cultures.
A licence in NZ has no value. Neither does anyone else's life you or I share the road with.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
The instructions are simple...
Whilst I appreciate the intent, this could never happen. The system insists you HAVE a licence before you can operate a vehicle.
The chicken and the egg will get sooo confused...
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Forum whore
How fucking stupid are you?
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