Aging motorcyclists - Close Up tonight 30/11/10

[rastuscat]

Enforce the 100kmph all the time, until no one has any money left and has to stay at home

Let me know when Heidi Klum is in NZ. I'll fine her so much she has to stay at my place.

We can share the donuts.

Hold on, did I say share the donuts? Heidi who?

[Brian d marge]

Practically any Western European licensing system.

However where the point you've raised comes to the fore is that respect for individual human life takes a precedence over individual "needs" in a lot of Western European cultures. Their approach to life is different to our "me first" attitude, hence why political protest is so effective in those cultures.

A licence in NZ has no value. Neither does anyone else's life you or I share the road with.

You don't know how deep that hole you have uncovered is , Ive lived here ( Japan ) for 10 years , and I only understand 70 to 80 percent of how the society functions

the average Bruce wouldn't even begin to comprehend

even down to Language, we say MY pen is on the table , the japs , the pen is on the table , they rarely use the personal pronoun and reading the air is a sense of personal pride

Wa ,as in Stephen wa ... is used in Confucian countries like Japan, China and Korea, harmony is considered to exist when everyone in the group knows precisely his/her place in the hierarchy and behaves accordingly. In other words, when personal feelings are kept out of the equation, and everyone lets loyalty to the group override the yearning for fairness and personal happiness.

This sense, will be uncomprehending to pretty much most of western people but it is used in daily life here, and is a really pleasant way to live if I might say ....

Now try sitting at the traffic lights giving way to someone who wants to give way to you because they feel you might be inconvenienced by their actions

It takes a lot of patience

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Improve driver attention....
Replace the air bag in the steering wheel with a big steel spike 100 mm long aimed at the drivers chest, fit it to all cars....that would improve driving standards in a flash.

If the Police think speed is the main problem why don't they restict the power to experience ratio.
Cars these days are so comfortable, quiet and easy to drive with loud stereos that the driver is in a world of his own....often miles away concentration wise.

Or drive round the place in a big white and blue car with lovely lights on , ..just drive around ,,, because as soon as the white and blue car pulls off to get donuts , the bad behavior returns ( almost instantly )

What we need is a whole lot of these blue and white cars , just driving round , giving a few warnings here and there , offering advice to bad drivers , being

A PUBLIC SERVICE

everyone all good , all happy ,

Stephen

Wishing shit would flow uphill since Adam was a lad

[shrub]

Whilst I appreciate the intent, this could never happen. The system insists you HAVE a licence before you can operate a vehicle.
The chicken and the egg will get sooo confused...

Maybe I didn't explain myself better. If learners had to keep a log book to record their driving/riding experience it might just cut the road toll.

I suspect a major part of the higher holiday/long weekend road toll is people driving in conditions they're not experienced in. For example, all year Johnny Commodore drives around town with short stints on the motorway. Then comes the long weekend and he throws the family in the Commode and heads off to Wanaka, and drives at speeds he's not familiar with and on tight winding roads with gravel, road works etc.

[MSTRS:Me]

... Should we go for the demerit offences only?

Which ones don't carry points?

[Pixie]

I've asked plenty of times before, but what is it you'd like the popos to do to improve drivers attention-deficit-disorder?

Retest every fuggin' driver on the road every 5 years using the German driving test.

Oh sorry,that does not bring in revenue and it loses votes,how silly of me to suggest it.

[Pixie]

The police were there doing what they were doing and their only goal was to reduce the carnage on our roads? REALLY? The cop said that and I just shook my head in disbelief! It must be a case of cognitive dissonance if that deluded copper really thought that he was doing ANYTHING to reduce the deaths of motorcyclists on NZ roads!

Have you only just realised the NZ Police are thick as pig shit?
One of those deaths could have been prevented by training the cops in making safe changes of direction on the public highway.

[Kickaha]

Retest every fuggin' driver on the road every 5 years using the German driving test.

Oh sorry,that does not bring in revenue and it loses votes,how silly of me to suggest it.

None of which has anything to do with the police

Have you only just realised the NZ Police are thick as pig shit?

Not to much different than your average KB member then

[pritch]

But not "real" open face helmets and goggles. They're cool.

One advantage of open face helmets recently occurred to me as I was mouthing off at an idiot bitch driver in my full face helmet. The only person who could hear my rant was me. But if I had an open face helmet...

[Ocean1]

One advantage of open face helmets recently occurred to me...

I have to report that, (contrary to expectations) the natural emanations resulting from a common cold are not necessarily better managed in an open faced helmet.

While one obviously doesn’t soil ones’ helmet to quite the same extent one finds that, (unless significant efforts are made with regard to aim) the snot instead returns at high velocity and gets applied to ones person.

[rastuscat]

Retest every fuggin' driver on the road every 5 years using the German driving test.

Oh sorry,that does not bring in revenue and it loses votes,how silly of me to suggest it.

Yet another example of something the Popo don't do.

What is it you want the Popo to do?

[rastuscat]

Which ones don't carry points?

No points for

Failing to wear a seatbelt
Driving through a red light

Yes, that's right, you get demerits for having a noisy exhaust, but not for going through a red light. How fricking bizarre.

Please don't try to find any common sense in the demerit system, coz there ain't any.

Obscured number plate? Points. No seatbelt? Nada points.

Bizarre.

[rastuscat]

What we need is a whole lot of these blue and white cars , just driving round , giving a few warnings here and there , offering advice to bad drivers , being

A PUBLIC SERVICE

everyone all good , all happy ,

Stephen

Wishing shit would flow uphill since Adam was a lad

Yo Brian. Just to clarify. You want to pay me a salary to drive around and be nice to people?

Sure, we'd win a popularity contest, but would it really cause a change to bad driving? Would there be less crashes?

Can I choose the car? I'd like a nice Euro one thanks, and happy to have it blue and white.

[Dare]

Yo Brian. Just to clarify. You want to pay me a salary to drive around and be nice to people?

Sure, we'd win a popularity contest, but would it really cause a change to bad driving? Would there be less crashes?

Can I choose the car? I'd like a nice Euro one thanks, and happy to have it blue and white.

Just wait until people get used to blue and whites around all the time then nail them with a fine when they go back to their old ways?
Or put HD cameras at every major intersection in every major city..

[Ocean1]

Yo Brian. Just to clarify. You want to pay me a salary to drive around and be nice to people?

Sure, we'd win a popularity contest, but would it really cause a change to bad driving? Would there be less crashes?

How do you find the opposite policy set works?

Bizarre.

Not the most original description of the current system. Can’t argue with it.

As a matter of interest; (and related to your earlier question re police activities) what should attract points deductions and what should be a straight fine?

I can’t remember what the rational was behind the points system… actually, I can, in spite of actively ignoring the pricks at the time. Was somat to do with rich pricks getting off relatively lightly compared to the great unwashed, yes?

Nevermind. Given the two forms of punishment, (lets not pretend it’s a corrective measure) what offences SHOULD each be applied for?