Disappointed by the mouth.

[p.dath]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)...

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

First, CBR250's meet the proposed 2011 legislation requirements (being less than 660cc and less than 150Kw/tonne) and will - repeat will - be allowed.

Secondly, there is nothing preventing you from making your own submissions to Government on proposed changes. I certainly did. So I suggest that you represent yourself if your not happy with what everyone else is doing.

Lastly, StoneY, although a little fiery, has made a large and concerted effort to help Motorcyclists in general, and I suspect if you knew about everything he has done you would be more thankful. He's also had a bit of a shit 12 months, and deserves some consideration.

Differences of views is common - and those differences help society. Your views, and StoneY's, are just as important. And open debate is also good. But life runs smoother if you can debate what you don't agree with, rather than the person delivering the message.

[James Deuce]

First, CBR250's meet the proposed 2011 legislation requirements (being less than 660cc and less than 150Kw/tonne) and will - repeat will - be allowed.

That's a shame. They are a shining example of NZ's aged motorcycle fleet, smashed, bashed, shoddily repaired, under serviced, thrashed and discarded.

I'd like to see pre-2000 250s thrown in the compactor.

[p.dath]

That's a shame. They are a shining example of NZ's aged motorcycle fleet, smashed, bashed, shoddily repaired, under serviced, thrashed and discarded.

I'd like to see pre-2000 250s thrown in the compactor.

Going off topic for a moment; I see they plan to re-release the CBR 250R again.
http://powersports.honda.com/press/5...w-cbr250r.aspx

I suspect there are a lot of keen bike re-builders out there that like to have their old bikes that are much much older again and less than 250cc ...

[James Deuce]

I suspect there are a lot of keen bike re-builders out there that like to have their old bikes that are much much older again and less than 250cc ...

I'm talking about bikes that shouldn't be on the road but dealears are happy to sell, thanks to NZ's 250cc learner law. 20 year old bikes with 12,000km on the clock (yeah, right) with frozen shock linkages, seeping brake seals, grey sludge instead of fork oil, steering head bearings audibly clunk wheeling a bike around a forecourt, chain's with visually restricted freeplay in links, hooked sprockets and tyres so old they are perishing.

See them all the time.

Then there's the bikes that used to be one of those that have had 5 owners in 30000 kms that have battle scars on top of the mechanical issues they were sold with that have been repaired in what could only charitably be called a bodge fashion after multiple low speed and the odd medium speed crash.

Sometimes a "decent" mechanic gets hold of one, but at the end of they day they are still a 20 year old bike that has had an abusive life.

The restoration projects you are talking about are a different kettle of fish compared to some of the nightmares I see sold as "perfect for lerners".

[davebullet]

Going off topic for a moment; I see they plan to re-release the CBR 250R again.
http://powersports.honda.com/press/5...w-cbr250r.aspx

The above is a single cylinder not IL4 like the old. Still would go ok.

[Hiflyer]

Diddums mate. StoneY has done more for the wider biking community with one breath than you will ever do with your bullshit bleating.

[StoneY]

Heck...a whole thread just for little old me?

THANKS guys!

While CBR's may make the cut, it was the general flavor I referred to rather than exact quotes from the LAMs list

And as I got told a wee while back myself, (and decided he was right too) this is KB
"Harden the fuck up"

Thanks for all the support folks
I may get a little zealous, but seeing as I learned diplomacy on KB what did they expect?????

And as I represent BRONZ, is 5t3a1F a financial member?


:-)

[sunhuntin]

That's a shame. They are a shining example of NZ's aged motorcycle fleet, smashed, bashed, shoddily repaired, under serviced, thrashed and discarded.

I'd like to see pre-2000 250s thrown in the compactor.

i think it should be on a bike by bike basis. i had an 06 gn250 which was a POS and rusty before i even got it home [bought brand new]. compared to my 98 virago which has been kept in all kinds of weather and very rarely cleaned, but barely has a speck of rust on her.

i would like to see shoddy bikes denied access to the country to begin with. the new gn's are a perfect example of this. i dont know one which hasnt had an issue yet. in 10 thousand k, mine had so many issues it wasnt funny.

[Guzza Bugger]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

Cut the foul language and look at the facts,the current situation on the 250cc learner restriction is way out of date as is the 70 kph.
As being a Bronz member for three years and now retired from such I feel that the statements being made by Stony Y are being read out of context,their has never been a submission process through Bronz membership nationally to accertain as to what would be an ideal solution for learners,however as a M/C myself I agree we need change.
To this I believe if the power to weight ratio is adapted this would have a more significant advantage to learners with better choices eg as I agree their are a number of 400 and 500 cc machines that would be suitable for learners.
The current 250cc rating has a number of these machines on the road being purchased at out landish prices and are a heap of crap and shouldnt be on the road but because of the current law are.
I am in the older age group and brought a Bouli S50 which because of the lighter frame makes it a very good handling bike but the 800cc has plenty of torque to achieve what I want.

The 70 kph is also outdated like the 90 k limit towing trailers you just become an obstacle in the way for those who travel at 100 ks .
Its not how fast you travel but how you ride,the key issue being the more you ride without being a hinderance to others the more confidence you will gain and the better rider you will become.
By the way my other machine is a Yamaha XS850 Trike so I have choices as well

[Guzza Bugger]

Language a bit foul I agreebut lets look at the facts,the current situation on the 250cc learner restriction is way out of date as is the 70 kph.
As being a Bronz member for three years and now retired from such I feel that the statements being made by " Stony Y" are being made out of context,there has never been a submission process through Bronz membership nationally to accertain as to what would be an ideal solution for learners,however as a M/C myself I agree we need change.
To this I believe if the power to weight ratio is adapted this would have a more significant advantage to learners with better choices eg as I agree their are a number of 400 and 500 cc machines that would be suitable for learners.
The current 250cc rating has a number of these machines on the road being purchased at out landish prices and are a heap of crap and shouldnt be on the road but because of the current law are.
I am in the older age group and brought a Bouli S50 which because of the lighter frame makes it a very good handling bike but the 800cc has plenty of torque to achieve what I want.

The 70 kph is also outdated like the 90 k limit towing trailers you just become an obstacle in the way for those who travel at 100 ks .
Its not how fast you travel but how you ride,the key issue being the more you ride without being a hinderance to others the more confidence you will gain and the better rider you will become.
By the way my other machine is a Yamaha XS850 Trike so I have choices as well

[davereid]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

So, if you are not impressed, here are other things you can do than bitch at Stoney, who has contribued valuably to NZ motorcycling.

Why not go to the NZTA web page, and make a submission ?

This is not a law, it is a rule. submissions count.

[caseye]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

You fronted any politicians lately?
Organised any sort of protest? let alone one that involved over 10,000 bikers.
Tell you what, when you start making sense and stop bleating about a bit of language I might start listening to what you have to say.
Meanwhile if Stoney says be in Welly tomorrow, I'll ride!
As would most others .
See we know whats already been achieved and what is going on behind the scenes, your criticisms are not warranted, nor appreciated here.

[StoneY]

Funny you bring that up Casseye mate.......

Saw Phil G and Ricky B this morning, as well as Dave C and the local central chap Grant R

Might be needing you to mount up in the new Year bruv....will let you and ya buddies at MAG know more after the holidays

Always fun to visit the big house tho....nice coffee there!

[Ronin]

Funny you bring that up Casseye mate.......

Saw Phil G and Ricky B this morning, as well as Dave C and the local central chap Grant R

Might be needing you to mount up in the new Year bruv....will let you and ya buddies at MAG know more after the holidays

Always fun to visit the big house tho....nice coffee there!

No 'real' Politicians then?

[The Stranger:Me]

It is the attitude and language that I take offense to.

WTF? You chose to take offence then bleat at him for your choice.