Disappointed by the mouth.

[Laava]

The above is a single cylinder not IL4 like the old. Still would go ok.

Yip. The Honda Gn250

[Maha]

Funny you bring that up Casseye mate.......

Saw Phil G and Ricky B this morning, as well as Dave C and the local central chap Grant R

Might be needing you to mount up in the new Year bruv....will let you and ya buddies at MAG know more after the holidays

Rider are Voters....

[StoneY]

No 'real' Politicians then?

Just as real as the coffee was dude. Man that was nice coffee.....good to see our tax $ well spent

[Maha]

And 4 million people all of a sudden shake thier head....

[Voltaire]

Rider are Voters....

I don't usually let my hobbies influence my voting.....I worry about things like Education, Health care,my kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices. I grumble about ACC but its not a biggie.

[davereid]

I don't usually let my hobbies influence my voting.....I worry about things like Education, Health care,my kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices. I grumble about ACC but its not a biggie.

Neither do I.

I can afford ACC. No issue there.

But this IS about more than the motorcycle ACC levy being overpriced.

It actually represents a shift in the way government thinks that may well affect things like Education, Health care, your kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices.

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.

And it is a time for us to see if we can be heard. Because if we cant be heard on this matter, when there are thousands of us, we are well organised, a broad subset of society, and clearly being rorted, the your kids will have a lot more to worry about than Dad being taxed off the road.

[pritch]

As far as I know it stops better than most bikes, has better grip and is lighter, hence more forgiving.

The RS is not a learners bike IMNSHO. Which is not to say I wouldn't love to have one, as impractical as they are.

A search of KB should turn up more than one instance where an inexperienced rider bought one and turned it into scrap within days.

I can't see what the OPs whinge is. The new rules will make for a much bigger range of bikes. Although young guys tend to want mini crutch rockets and the charms of an Indian Enfield may elude them.

The new regime may take some of the price pressure off used 250s which is good. Unless you happen to own one now?

[Maha]

Neither do I.

I can afford ACC. No issue there.

But this IS about more than the motorcycle ACC levy being overpriced.

It actually represents a shift in the way government thinks that may well affect things like Education, Health care, your kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices.

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.

And it is a time for us to see if we can be heard. Because if we cant be heard on this matter, when there are thousands of us, we are well organised, a broad subset of society, and clearly being rorted, the your kids will have a lot more to worry about than Dad being taxed off the road.

Yeah, some get what Riders are Voters is all about.
The ACC levy thing is pretty much a non issue now.

[James Deuce]

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.

That thinking is mirrored in Chris Finlayson's Marine and Coastal Area Bill. It most certainly isn't about ACC changes alone. It's also indicative of the current government's desire to stay in power at all costs and damn the torpedoes.

I do have to ask though. If riders are voters how many of you wrote a submission in regard to the Marine and Coastal Area Bill?

[StoneY]

Yeah, some get what Riders are Voters is all about.
The ACC levy thing is pretty much a non issue now.

Well not totally, its still the prime example of what Dave was pointing at, the sitting government using spurious and corrupted data to justify huge costs increases to the masses, while blatantly ignoring the truth and popular public opinion.
Its also a great unifier of all our fellow motorcyclists

[Fatt Max]

Neither do I.

I can afford ACC. No issue there.

But this IS about more than the motorcycle ACC levy being overpriced.

It actually represents a shift in the way government thinks that may well affect things like Education, Health care, your kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices.

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.

And it is a time for us to see if we can be heard. Because if we cant be heard on this matter, when there are thousands of us, we are well organised, a broad subset of society, and clearly being rorted, the your kids will have a lot more to worry about than Dad being taxed off the road.

That is what it is all about, perfectly illustrated.

Good shite mate

[bogan]

Well not totally, its still the prime example of what Dave was pointing at, the sitting government using spurious and corrupted data to justify huge costs increases to the masses, while blatantly ignoring the truth and popular public opinion.
Its also a great unifier of all our fellow motorcyclists

Agree with that, all the corruption and data manipulation that was there last year still applies, it's just a year later there is even more biker apathy. Mind you a lot of bikers won't be feeling the hit till their current regos run out, maybe the slumbering beast will stir again at that point.

[StoneY]

Well lets say, despite the opinions of some as to who is 'real' in politics and who is not, I dont think we will get any movement by supporting the current regime.

Bikers ARE voters, its been said on here often enough and MAG deserve a lot of kudos for focussing this issue

If me and the team at BRONZ can get any support for the movement from ANYONE (even Triumph Riders lol) then its a good thing

Laugh all they like at the time spent bashing Parliaments doors, I recieved a promise of support,very public and visible, for the motorcycle community in NZ, roughly 160,000 class 6's out there and 99% are voting age....

Apathy is the enemy, and while the ACC thing is a single issue on its own, as Dave points out it shows how much this govt listen to the people.....they just dont.

[Mom]

Apathy is the enemy, and while the ACC thing is a single issue on its own, as Dave points out it shows how much this govt listen to the people.....they just dont.

NZ Riders Are Voters is the "new issue" as far as I am concerned. The undermining of the ACC scheme, and the discrimination to motorcyclists in the levy hikes and seperate charges is a very important part of what we are all about, but it not the defining issue.

MAG-NZ intends to bring the fact that are legitimate members of the community and we object strongly to being steadily and stealthily taxed off the road, right to the face of TPTB, regardless of what colour ties they wear.

[ynot slow]

Re bike cc rating and restricted,after following a guy and pillion on his new Harley,I asked him how long he had his bike(rego showed new within last month),he replied "since I got my full,used a mates wifes 250 to get it",I asked had he done much biking since his youth,"nope I'm new to it,turned 45 and decided to get a bike,didn't want to buy a learner class as I got full as soon as possible",so I politely told him,"well I suggest you use your mirrors when passing vehicles" he decided to pull out and pass a car,but another car and myself (in order)were indicating and passing,the SS commodore nearly had an expensive bonnet ornament,and I was going to get the wash.

He then said oh shit saw that at last minute,forgot to look hehe,in a very smug voice,but when I hinted his smugness could hurt his pillion and ME,his attitude sort of hit a change(should've been my fist and driver of car).Then the real piss off was he was a lawyer and advised me not to reort to violence,by which the commodore driver happened to stop,was he really pissed.Only time I took a car driver side v bikers.The car driver had class 1,2,5,6 with all sorts of enorsements and suggested the idiot buy a smaller bike,and was indignantly told "I wanted a Harley so bought one,who are you to tell me what to buy".

The restriction on cc is a farce regarding 250 that can get up n boogy,compared to my old TS185 '75 model,but it gave me off road fun,and to me that is the ideal way to learn,a bike you can hit the paddocks with and road craft to learn.