Announcement on ACC funded $2m scheme

[riffer]

thanks for making that clear - I had not seen it - so obviously can not be listening ... but that only answered part of what I asked ...

??? Which bit haven't I answered?

[MSTRS:Me]

Let's make one thing clear.

NONE OF THE MONEY FROM THE MSL LEVY GOES TOWARDS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

The cynical amongst us cannot forget those famous words "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

See, the trouble is, when things are political, words don't always mean just what they say. The creation of a seperate levy was a master stroke in splitting biker loyalties, and cheap in the scheme of things where ACC is concerned. A lot of us are not happy with being targetted (as Anne said on TV) so will for ever remain suspicious of what goes on behind the scenes.

[Fatt Max]

The cynical amongst us cannot forget those famous words "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Now just hang the fuck on a minute there mate, me and Anne are just good friends, everyone knows that....

....as for Susan Boyle.....

[riffer]

I understand that John, but everyone must remember that what you are saying is merely your speculation, and a lot of people are presenting it as if it were already happening.

What is the truth is that a number of motorcycling groups managed to ring-fence some of the extortionate rise in ACC levies into a fund, to be managed by motorcyclists purely for work that benefits motorcyclists.

To make specious claims that the general funds MUST pay for work that only benefits motorcyclists, and makes NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER for the majority of road users, is just not going to happen in today's society. For better or worse, our government works on the principle that if the minority want something done they have to reach into their pockets.

Now we have some talented individuals with a genuine interest in improving the lot of NZ motorcycling, and motorcyclists, who are giving up their time, UNPAID, to vet proposals FROM A MOTORCYLING VIEWPOINT, and the best you guys can come up with is that you think it has the potential to be corrupted?

News flash. EVERYTHING HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE CORRUPTED.

But at the end of the day, these people have reputations they're putting on the line here. And shitting on their reputations before they've even had the opportunity to get started is pretty damn rotten in my opinion.

[bogan]

A lot of us are not happy with being targetted (as Anne said on TV) so will for ever remain suspicious of what goes on behind the scenes.

Exactly, course if it wasn't done behind the scenes, rather in the open, we would be a lot less suspicious. Does anyone know how much transparency there will be with the MSL?

[riffer]

Exactly, course if it wasn't done behind the scenes, rather in the open, we would be a lot less suspicious. Does anyone know how much transparency there will be with the MSL?

Of course not. The bloody thing was announced three days ago. FFS!

Come on, tell the truth. Your just pissed because no-one from MAG is on the committee aren't you?

[bogan]

For better or worse, our government works on the principle that if the minority want something done they have to reach into their pockets.

It aint my hand reaching into my pocket though, and thats what I object to, I'm sure others feel the same.

Of course not. The bloody thing was announced three days ago. FFS!

the levy was announced over a year ago, and they have collected it for months.

Come on, tell the truth. Your just pissed because no-one from MAG is on the committee aren't you?

don't try and make this personal, its not a good look.

[GOONR]

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Come on, tell the truth. Your just pissed because no-one from MAG is on the committee aren't you?

erm, NOPE!

[MSTRS:Me]

What is the truth is that a number of motorcycling groups managed to ring-fence some of the extortionate rise in ACC levies into a fund, to be managed by motorcyclists purely for work that benefits motorcyclists.

They did. And a good idea it was, on the surface. As I said though, it played brilliantly into Nick the Prick's hands. It lent the levy hike an air of legitimacy and so split biker loyalties. You will never get every biker to support it because it is not voluntary.
If every other motorist's rego contained a 'safety levy' then that would even the playing field and I'm sure the support would be there. Or do away with the m/c only levy. After all, safety on a motorcycle is not limited to the rider's actions, and with half our crashes being the fault of others, it's no wonder riders are crook on paying for Joe Car Driver's poor road skills when JCD doesn't pay.

[Maha]

Come on, tell the truth. Your just pissed because no-one from MAG is on the committee aren't you?

Do you communicate with Brent at all?...
Why would anyone from MAG want to be on a committiee that is duty bound to serve the government and a department thereof, when we apposed to the very reason why the committe was set up in the first place?
You guys have known all along where MAG stands on the MSL issue.
The MSL has about as much credence as the Govt asking/taking $23 from our registration and calling it a Kevlar Resource Funding Tax.

[Nasty]

Of course not. The bloody thing was announced three days ago. FFS!

Come on, tell the truth. Your just pissed because no-one from MAG is on the committee aren't you?

Would be interesting since MAG does not agree with it, why would they want to be on the committee. If I was a member of any of MAG there is no way I would be pissed as if they were there they would be contradicting what they stand for.

Interesing the article mentioned that it is also for use of education of drivers.

[avgas]

I believe they wanted someone with experience in the financial sector who has already been involved in one of their working groups (Tax Working Group).

Any chance I can ask why.
I mean I am no hedge fund manager or anything - so my money maths is not superb. But to me it would make more sense to get a project manager. Seeing as 99.99% of the job is expenditure rather than generating funds........

Smells rather ETS to me

[avgas]

there is not a single person on this site that would not benefit in one way or another from attending one of these days

(unless they don't actually ride a bike)

I got a flyer on my car window today. New boxing gym / fitness center.
If you think that everyone would benefit from "basic skills" bike training........thats fair enough.
I mean clearly someone out there thinks everyone needs a gym membership and is fat.

Don't mean its always true.

[avgas]

Paul Searancke, Deputy Chairperson (Commissioner: Recreation/Leisure of Motorcycling New Zealand)
Peter McIntosh (President Ulysses Club of NZ Inc)
Yvonne Forrest (Representative of Women's International Motorcycle Association)
Bill Grice (former Chairman of the Motor Industry Association Motorcycle Division)
Brent Hutchison (President of Wellington branch of Bikers Rights Organisation of NZ)
Jess Corbett (Representative of Scoot NZ and the NZ Classic Scooter Club)

Reminds me of a joke.
How many committee members does it take to get a refund?
Nothing against the guys above - I am sure they will do a great job........but the public has pretty much spoken.

[riffer]

Reminds me of a joke.
How many committee members does it take to get a refund?
Nothing against the guys above - I am sure they will do a great job........but the public has pretty much spoken.

Four whiners does not "the public" make.