Mom on Breakfast TV1

[dino3310]

Anne will be appearing alongside Gareth Morgan on TV1's Breakfast show this morning at 7:10am.
The shows producer called yesterday and invited her to appear.
Should be worth a watch.

thanks for the heads up bro, watched it on the puta this arvo. good to put another KB face to a name.
well done Anne.

[Berries]

Also I'd like to see retesting as well. Every time your licence comes up for renewal (every ten years).

For all licence holders ? If it was a decent driving test rather than the crap we have now I'd say yes. If you mean just for motorbikes then I would have to politely disagree.

[scracha]

What’s the relevance there? A bunch of professional liars with a vested interest in that course chose to use the opportunity afforded them by a few pathetic toads to rip off a minority. If anyone need be held responsible for that minority’s loss it’s you and your toadying mates.

Hear fucking hear. From my perspective, 30 bucks is another 2 or 3 weeks I'll have to ride dirty to get even (in my own little way). As predicted last year, New Zealand's motorcyclists have rolled over,


I'll say it again.

Epic Fail.

[riffer]

For all licence holders ? If it was a decent driving test rather than the crap we have now I'd say yes. If you mean just for motorbikes then I would have to politely disagree.

Of course for all motorists.

[BoristheBiter]

He rides thousands of miles internationally each year (ergo see's how it is in other countries as well as NZ)
He knows finance (which was the KEY factor for a chair, it was almost the AA at the head)

Have you ever met him, shook his hand and had a chance to ask him how many and what brandd of bikes he rides/prefers?
Well I have dude.

And as for a Yes man, that he is not and nor is anyone else on the council
He took Nick to task on details right in my presence...and Nick himself did not want yes men

Gareth pushed Nick Smith for a single levy even...you judge the man harshly on nil information....in fact you outright insult his spirit and intelegence

Best post yet.
Fair call.

Judge me and the other appointee's in 2 years when our term is up
Cheers
I'm out of this thread now .......nothing more to say...except Katman's making good sense here too (yep..I said it!)

Actually i have met him on a few occasions and i stand by what i said.
I have never insulted his spirit or intelligence (didn't mean if i did), i just don't think he is right for the role but as you say we will see what you have done in the next two years. I hope i am proved wrong. the one thing i do now is our levies will never go down. Car deaths are down have those decreased?

The one that struck me was your other post with the ways of getting funding. Those things should all ready be getting funded by all the rest of the money we pay for roads. you should, as the others have suggested be looking more at the defensive/teaching/up skilling side of it.

For a start a better basic handling test, RRRS before you get your restricted, a longer more in depth test for everyone (all vehicles) when sitting their full.

[BoristheBiter]

Hear fucking hear. From my perspective, 30 bucks is another 2 or 3 weeks I'll have to ride dirty to get even (in my own little way). As predicted last year, New Zealand's motorcyclists have rolled over.


I'll say it again.

Epic Fail.

+1
They have now divided the motorcycle community so round 3 to them.
All the have to say whenever something comes up is "we gave you this and you're still not happy".

[Paul in NZ]

Fuck I'm sick of this.... (yeah yeah - dont read it) This shit just sucks the joy out of having a motorcycle.

I went and entered a surfcasting comp in the weekend with 2 of my girls and partners - it was fun. We knew were wouldnt catch much and the weather was appalling but the people were all decent and it was a fugging laugh...

[MSTRS:Me]

i got a speculation for you.....he put a lot of effort into bikeoi, he was overwhelmed at the support and perhaps thought we were on the cusp of something extra ordinary,but the result was nothing more than political bullshit.He was bitterly disapointed and has taken a step back.

Perhaps you are right. I would prefer that. Or we're both wrong. Probably we'll never know.
However, the chant of "Bullshit!" is still ringing in a lot of ears (mine included) and the smell of bullshit still clings to everything associated with the levy rise, and the MSL.

[Maha]

Gareth Morgan is an Economist first and foremost, that and the fact that he also rides a Motorbike made him the obvious choice to head a committee that will have close to three million dollars to spend on saving bikers lives. It was made known to us before the interview took place that Mr Morgan doesn't necessarily agree with the MSL. But he has been given a job to do. To answers questions as to the viability of such a levy is not part of that job. Possibly that is why he said ''if you have a problem with the MSL, take it up with the government''?

[StoneY]

Gareth Morgan is an Economist first and foremost, that and the fact that he also rides a Motorbike made him the obvious choice to head a committee that will have close to three million dollars to spend on saving bikers lives. It was made known to us before the interview took place that Mr Morgan doesn't necessarily agree with the MSL. But he has been given a job to do. To answers questions as to the viability of such a levy is not part of that job. Possibly that is why he said ''if you have a problem with the MSL, take it up with the government''?

Excellent summary mate.
And he has made quite some sacrifice time wise to take it on....

Kudos to Anne for her stand too, I hope no one mistakes my participation in the council as having 'sold out' or 'feeding from the trough'

I was aksed to participate in forming the governance system, and then appointed to the council, but it was not a smooth ride for ACC and Nick Smith, we seriously held them to account through the whole process and continue to do so

In my heart I totally agree there should never have been a levy raise, ACC should be no fault..... and beer should flow free from my kitchen tap....

But sadly I live in the real world.

[phill-k]

My issue with Gareth Morgan fronting the MSL is he appeared on a show on TVNZ7 alongside the Ulysses man and Garth seemed to be agreeing with Nick Smiths statistics on the increase in Motorcycle injuries and deaths and then went on to make the statement that a lot of those deaths were middle aged born again bikers buying machines that were to big and to powerful for them and that they didn't have the ability to handle them.
As an economist and numbers man he failed to firstly justify his comments or point out the fact that their had been a large increase in registrations over that period. As far as I'm concerned he was working his jaw for the sake of being on TV.
I think Nick has someone one the inside now.

[MSTRS:Me]

My issue with Gareth Morgan fronting the MSL is he appeared on a show on TVNZ7 alongside the Ulysses man and Garth seemed to be agreeing with Nick Smiths statistics on the increase in Motorcycle injuries and deaths and then went on to make the statement that a lot of those deaths were middle aged born again bikers buying machines that were to big and to powerful for them and that they didn't have the ability to handle them.
As an economist and numbers man he failed to firstly justify his comments or point out the fact that their had been a large increase in registrations over that period. As far as I'm concerned he was working his jaw for the sake of being on TV.
I think Nick has someone one the inside now.

Not saying I agree with GM, but...
Just who IS responsible for the 'large increase in registrations over that period'?

Could it just possibly be BABs?

[phill-k]

Not saying I agree with GM, but...
Just who IS responsible for the 'large increase in registrations over that period'?

Could it just possibly be BABs?

I guess they could be, and if that's the case it further supports my point that he was just grandstanding / mouthing off because the babs do not make up the majority of deaths and injuries in the motorbike community.

[Ocean1]

Could it just possibly be BABs?

From the figures I found when I first asked myself that question, no.

The crashingest riders are the youngest, linear progression to the oldest (and safest) group.

No way to isolate BABs even if you were unwise enough to attempt a numeric description. Howeve, it's been my observation that most of 'em retain skill levels beyond the younger ones.

Thing is, the dangerous times is that where you're most deficient in both physical skills and that which we might call roadcraft. You can learn these things only by discovering your limits, and the road's a fucking bad place to learn them.

So all the gum beating about safety on the road has for me missed the point. If we're serious about lowering the death / injury toll then we need to develop places and systems where discovering those limits and learning that lore is safer.

Again: make tracks, encourage interested groups to develop training systems and integrate them into the licence structure. And now that you've got a viable alternative point all the bad bastards in the general direction of the very same tracks.

That's it. Off you go.

[MSTRS:Me]

From the figures I found when I first asked myself that question, no.

The crashingest riders are the youngest, linear progression to the oldest (and safest) group.

No way to isolate BABs even if you were unwise enough to attempt a numeric description. Howeve, it's been my observation that most of 'em retain skill levels beyond the younger ones.

I agree.

The stats that we see only isolate licence levels, not 'experience' or otherwise. A pie chart I saw on here in the last couple of days says that 52% of fatalities are of 6F status...not surprising since (I'm guessing) that there's more of that class on 100kph roads, and open road speeds are much harder on a biker who comes to grief for any reason.
But whether they are the ones that are crashing in higher numbers or not, I'd hazard a guess that it's BABs that have driven the massive increase in bike numbers in the last 10 years.