Didn't have a chance!

[oneofsix]

Also if the car you're following stops abruptly from hitting something, it generally isn't your fault either.

Yeah right, the insurance company that payed out on my car wouldn't argee, neither the cop that attended. You have to travel at speed and distance that allows you to react and stop in the following distance there is no allowance for the reason the front person stops.

[bogan]

Yeah right, the insurance company that payed out on my car wouldn't argee, neither the cop that attended. You have to travel at speed and distance that allows you to react and stop in the following distance there is no allowance for the reason the front person stops.

I mean stopping really abruptly, as in what they hit caused the car to scrub off a great amount of speed. Numerous nose to tail pile-ups have all been the fault of only the second car back for this reason.

[oneofsix]

I mean stopping really abruptly, as in what they hit caused the car to scrub off a great amount of speed. Numerous nose to tail pile-ups have all been the fault of only the second car back for this reason.

Think you will find in those cases it is blamed on shunting. The second car back gets the rap cause its deemed they shunted the middle car into the rear of the lead car.

[bogan]

Think you will find in those cases it is blamed on shunting. The second car back gets the rap cause its deemed they shunted the middle car into the rear of the lead car.

um, the second car back is the middle car. It depends on the order of events whether it was shunting, or a pile up.

[idb]

Which only counts if they are following the vehicle, something pulling out in front does not. Also if the car you're following stops abruptly from hitting something, it generally isn't your fault either.

It's hard to tell if that's the case here but you might be right.
Sorry, I wasn't paying enought attention to the discussion.

[YellowDog]

You are not allowed to cross a double centre line.

This is the case in all countries, without exception

[steelphoenix]

I think the important thing here is that nobody appears to be seriously injured! You see the oncoming biker stand up, and both the scooter (?) rider and pillion appear to get up okay.

It does appear the scooter pulls out. I can see the car braking (as do the following bikers), and it appears that the entire convoy slows to an adequate speed to match the scooter (judging from the pace of the following bikes matching that of the scooter at the time that the car pulls out). It then appears that the car driver then decides that they want to overtake, and pulls out - into the path of an oncoming bike.

I agree that the scooter's timing was shit, but I also feel that the car may not have had to overtake for safety reasons.

I feel sorry for the poor bastard on the oncoming bike who has the repair bill because of someone else's idiocy!

[mattian]

I'd like to point out that the vehicle the car was attempting (very badly) to overtake wasn't just a bike, it was a fecking scooter!

Which is probably why Mr. small penis just HAD to get in front of it,.... come hell or high water.

[The Stranger:Me]

Could almost have been in NZ - same standard of driving...

Was the cage driver a cop?

[MSTRS:Me]

Also if the car you're following stops abruptly from hitting something, it generally isn't your fault either.

I think you are wrong. You must travel at such distance from the vehicle in front that you can stop short of it, if it stops for any reason.
Generally speaking, in a typical nose to tail, the hind-most car in the pile up gets the blame for all the cars in front. The assumption being that those in the sandwich did stop but got shunted by the last car.

You are not allowed to cross a double centre line.

This is the case in all countries, without exception

No No NO....
You are not allowed to cross a yellow on your side of the centre line.
A double yellow simply means that neither direction can cross.

[Edbear]

No No NO....
You are not allowed to cross a yellow on your side of the centre line.
A double yellow simply means that neither direction can cross.

That's a good thing, right...?

[MSTRS:Me]

In some places - yes.

[Tink]

To be fair - he nearly did. It was just that inconvenient bike coming the other way...

I have seen this done in real life! Yet wasnt' a bike was a Ute v Car.

There is no side road! .

I couldn't see the side road either... hmmmmm

I'm sure double yellow lines still mean the same thing in other countries.
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Driven in America, Germany, England, I wouldn't over take unless the traffic was going in the same direction as me... simple safety.

Is English your second language?

Ok Don't get it!!!!

[YellowDog]

I think you are wrong. You must travel at such distance from the vehicle in front that you can stop short of it, if it stops for any reason.
Generally speaking, in a typical nose to tail, the hind-most car in the pile up gets the blame for all the cars in front. The assumption being that those in the sandwich did stop but got shunted by the last car.



No No NO....
You are not allowed to cross a yellow on your side of the centre line.
A double yellow simply means that neither direction can cross.

'cos if it was a broken line on one side, they only could cross it.

But this was approaching a blind bend and regardless of lines..................

I downloaded the video and it appears there are some merged breaks in the clip, which makes it hard to get the full picture. The scooter may have been stopped on the dirty stuff on the side of the road. You'd have to wonder why?

There was no road to pull out from. The impatient car driver makes a serious error of judgement. He may have got passed if he hadn't slowed before attempting the manoeuvre.

Amazing how he didn't rush to see if he had killed anyone

Perhaps he was more concerned about the health of his passengers.

[Katman]

Ok Don't get it!!!!

Where did I say anything about a side-road?