MSL Council to be lead by Gareth Morgan

[p.dath]

Allow bikes to pass by moving between two lanes of forward traffic (turning lanes don't count) when the traffic is going slower than ... and the motorcyclists speed is less than ... above the other traffic.

Bearing in mind it can easily take 5 years to bring legislation into effect, and that each law change can easily cost a couple of million dollars; do you still feel it is worth the considerable investment in time and the expense of parliament to bring about this change?

And I guess I have one more question - what is the actual problem we are trying to solve? What is actually going wrong that we are considering the spending of a couple of million dollars on (consultants, reports, select committees, parliamentary debate, reviews, etc) trying to solve?

[StoneY]

Lovin the tag cloud abuse
You faggots hiding behind the tag cloud anonimity, what say you say that to my face hmmm?

pathetic little whingers

[MSTRS:Me]

Bearing in mind it can easily take 5 years to bring legislation into effect, and that each law change can easily cost a couple of million dollars; do you still feel it is worth the consideration investment in time and the expense of parliament to bring about this change?

Act of Parliament is NOT required for road rules. The branch of NZTA formerly known as LTSA has authority to make changes on these sorts of issues.

[Usarka]

Bearing in mind it can easily take 5 years to bring legislation into effect, and that each law change can easily cost a couple of million dollars; do you still feel it is worth the consideration investment in time and the expense of parliament to bring about this change?

And I guess I have one more question - what is the actual problem we are trying to solve? What is actually going wrong that we are considering the spending of a couple of million dollars on (consultants, reports, select committees, parliamentary debate, reviews, etc) trying to solve?

Did you read my posts?

My objective was about improving relations with the general public.

My propsal for one way of doing this was make filtering socially acceptable. Sure I can filter legally at the lights, but I know many many car drivers who get very irate when the subject of motorbikes and filtering come up.

Let's use the word legitamise for arguments sake rather than legalise. We're not policy makers or part of the committee, it's not our job to work out the details.

[idleidolidyll]

Lovin the tag cloud abuse
You faggots hiding behind the tag cloud anonimity, what say you say that to my face hmmm?

pathetic little whingers

Well said Stoney

You losers filling the clouds with bullshit, have the integrity to address your concerns, doubts and ideas to the thread or to the man directly: hiding behind cloud tags is for pussies.

[RiderInBlack]

Well said Stoney

You losers filling the clouds with bullshit, have the integrity to address your concerns, doubts and ideas to the thread or to the man directly: hiding behind cloud tags is for pussies.

What the f*ck are "Cloud Tags"? Not into the "PM'ing" "Secret Squirl" abuse stuff. IMHO, if ya don't have the balls to be up-front then don't say it at all. I'd rather be "Red Rep'd" for getting up someone's nose with what I say in a Thread, than sulking in the background playing dirty and not at least owning any shit I sling.

[p.dath]

My objective was about improving relations with the general public.

This is a good objective.

My propsal for one way of doing this was make filtering socially acceptable. Sure I can filter legally at the lights, but I know many many car drivers who get very irate when the subject of motorbikes and filtering come up.

Let's use the word legitamise for arguments sake rather than legalise. We're not policy makers or part of the committee, it's not our job to work out the details.

Legislation or regulation won't wont improve relations with the public. Hell, a lot of car drivers would probably prefer the exact opposite - regulate to *prevent* motorcycles lane splitting.

[p.dath]

Act of Parliament is NOT required for road rules. The branch of NZTA formerly known as LTSA has authority to make changes on these sorts of issues.

You are correct. I forgot this is covered by a road rule.

[bogan]

Legislation or regulation won't wont improve relations with the public. Hell, a lot of car drivers would probably prefer the exact opposite - regulate to *prevent* motorcycles lane splitting.

but the ones that get angry now, are those who believe it already is illegal! make it legal and they won't have anything to get angry about, so only a small amount will be...

[StoneY]

Well said Stoney

You losers filling the clouds with bullshit, have the integrity to address your concerns, doubts and ideas to the thread or to the man directly: hiding behind cloud tags is for pussies.

Yeah mate, full credit to you for always abusing me directly to! (jokes bro)
I would rather scrap it out in forum and take my red's and infringments than act like a scurvy riddled bottom feeder.

KB can get pretty heated as we are all so focussed on our own beliefs, however hiding in the tag cloud to call people names is a new low and whoever it is doing it, GROW SOME BALLS

[Maha]

Yeah mate, full credit to you for always abusing me directly to! (jokes bro)
I would rather scrap it out in forum and take my red's and infringments than act like a scurvy riddled bottom feeder.

KB can get pretty heated as we are all so focussed on our own beliefs, however hiding in the tag cloud to call people names is a new low and whoever it is doing it, GROW SOME BALLS

Ask a mod, they can tell you who the taggers, worked for me in the past. Turns out the balls stopped bouncing ages ago.

[idleidolidyll]

Pot kettle etc

That's a meaningless riposte

I'm not a politician

If you have an intelligent comment or debate i'd be happy to hear it.

[yachtie10]

That's a meaningless riposte

I'm not a politician

If you have an intelligent comment or debate i'd be happy to hear it.

i thought it speaks for itself

Repeat your post and change the word national for labour and you would be as accurate (at least)

Both the main parties have an agenda and also have members who would like more extreme solutions.

you seem to lean to the left and wear red tinted glasses. I lean to the right (marginally) but dont like some of what national have done. but i would like to see an explantion of what labour would have done that would have made a difference to the economy over the last 2 years

[idleidolidyll]

i thought it speaks for itself

Repeat your post and change the word national for labour and you would be as accurate (at least)

Both the main parties have an agenda and also have members who would like more extreme solutions.

you seem to lean to the left and wear red tinted glasses. I lean to the right (marginally) but dont like some of what national have done. but i would like to see an explantion of what labour would have done that would have made a difference to the economy over the last 2 years

note to self and others watching: leaping to conclusions will almost always tend to make dick of self

i don't vote labour and if you lean marginally to the right as you suggest; then that's who you should vote for because the idea that national is centre right is nonsense: labour is centre right and national is far right and getting further each day.

Key continues to blame labour for the world ecomomic crisis; if you're sucked in by that there's no hope for you

back to left right etc; the mainstream media are corporate entities and they are subserviant to advertisers and their owners, they don't offer fair and unbiased comment or opinion. If people base their ideas on what the mainstream media tell them; they are already fucked.

go read www.scoop.co.nz to start with but more importantly, to see where NZ's political parties actually sit compared to political parties around the world; go to the Political Compass.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Take the test first (important so that you don't prejudge the results and skew your answers to suit) and see where your beliefs and opinions actually place you and question whether you are supporting the party that actually acts in a manner that would see your world view come to fruition or whether their words don't match their actions and you should be voting elsewhere.

[yachtie10]

not really interested in reading whatever websites suit your opinions.
Just replied as you asked, just to get abuse.

Cant be bothered discussing anything in that way

ps I have travelled the world and spent ime in usa and a few peoples republic and from what i have seen we are way left of most countries i have visited. Ill vote for who has best polocies for the future IMHO