Police say had the rider been wearing...

**Maha** · 7th February 2011, 15:02

Originally Posted by jafar

they pulled it from the website last night mate.

I'd like to think they did it because they realised that they had gone over the top with their piss poor slanted sensationalism. Using the unfortunate death of someone to push a political viewpoint

But a more likely answer is they broke the rubber band in their propaganda machine.

TV3 news and reporters within received the press release from MAG yesterday afternoon/early evening.

**steelphoenix** · 7th February 2011, 15:07

Originally Posted by Katman

The only stupidity in here that I can see is people suggesting that there are absolutely no clues to be had when a vehicle is about to perform a u-turn.

Surely even the best biker could be focussing on another hazard in those vital two seconds? Maybe he was having an off day... everyone has them...

Condolences to the biker's family and friends in this sad time.

**jasonu** · 7th February 2011, 16:05

Originally Posted by Katman

The only stupidity in here that I can see is people suggesting that there are absolutely no clues to be had when a vehicle is about to perform a u-turn.

That is not the point of most of the reactions to your comments.

What ever would make you think your original comment, right or wrong, is in any way appropriate given someone lost their life and maybe that persons family and/or friends might be reading what is posted here?

IMO you say things like this (and I have seen similar inapporpriateness from you in the past) to see what reaction you might stir up and if that is the case that makes you a troll.
Or, more likely you are just plain ignorant.

**PrincessBandit** · 7th February 2011, 16:23

Originally Posted by Tink

Indicator, wheel turn, eyes in mirror staring behind (not ahead).... vehicle brake lights off hence vehicle about to move, (trucks are loud). ... anything else. Is that defensive riding.

PS I watch out for trucks a hell of a lot I HATE THEM !!!! Especially when the wheels feel bigger than me.

I think that most people on here would state that the ones to look out for the most are the ones who don't do any of those things - they just decide on the spur of the moment to turn and go the other way. There are still things to watch for and quite frankly, most vehicles about to do that (with no other particularly noticeable warning signs) at the very least slow down somewhat. I've never seen a U-turn executed from the initial forward traveling speed - not on a road anyway. Plus any vehicle which appears stationary at the side of the road should always be treated as a potentially about-to-move object.

**tri boy** · 7th February 2011, 16:25

Originally Posted by Katman

Seriously, you guys really need to get a grip.

Now theres something I'm positive you know heaps about.

**PrincessBandit** · 7th February 2011, 16:29

Originally Posted by James Deuce

So I'm looking at importing one of these:

And I'll up you this gorgeous sexy number (wouldn't mind it myself if I had a bit of spare moolah)...

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**Katman** · 7th February 2011, 16:30

Originally Posted by jasonu

What ever would make you think your original comment, right or wrong, is in any way appropriate given someone lost their life and maybe that persons family and/or friends might be reading what is posted here?

I can only assume you mean this post..........

Originally Posted by Katman

I don't need a hi-viz.

I ride with my eyes open.

.......which was a direct response to this post.........

Originally Posted by White trash

You got your hi-viz on Steve?

.........in which I'm saying that I rely on my eyes being open rather than relying on others having theirs open.

If you or anyone else took offence to that comment then you seriously need to harden the fuck up.

**Smifffy** · 7th February 2011, 16:31

Originally Posted by Maha

MAG-NZ have addressed it by sending out a Nationwide press release to all areas of the media.

I'd call that a good start, I wouldn't call it addressed.

**PrincessBandit** · 7th February 2011, 16:36

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

I'm going with 'Kat Nebula'

"The Kat Planet is inhabited by super powered alien kats or Catnipians. Some of their powers are monster roars, super strength, and acid spit (Rumor has it that the Kat Planet is also called Planet Catnip). Kat is an alien cyborg that lived the Kat Planet but lives on Earth."

Gosh, for a moment I thought I was in the school yard; then I remembered that all this is coming from "adult" men...I am finding this most entertaining, more so because of who the contributors are.

**Maha** · 7th February 2011, 16:39

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

I think that most people on here would state that the ones to look out for the most are the ones who don't do any of those things - they just decide on the spur of the moment to turn and go the other way. There are still things to watch for and quite frankly, most vehicles about to do that (with no other particularly noticeable warning signs) at the very least slow down somewhat. I've never seen a U-turn executed from the initial forward traveling speed - not on a road anyway. Plus any vehicle which appears stationary at the side of the road should always be treated as a potentially about-to-move object.

Right on the money PB, had that very scenario today, truck about 200mts ahead of stopped on the left hand shoulder with left indicater going, about 100 mts away, right indicater goes on and he pulls out, he could see me but he pulled out anyway. No problem, I was watching him. Must have been a ex Auckland bus driver.
30 minutes later, I was sitting at the lights in town. They were red as was the left turning arrow. I was waiting to turn right, a car was waiting to turn left and a bike rode up between the two of us and went left anyway. Yes! through the red light. Point is, there are careless people in control of all types of vehicles and its up to each and everyone of to be vigilant for our own safety.

**Nonbeliever** · 7th February 2011, 16:40

katman, pack up your shitty old piece of crap and fuck the hell off back to your pathetic little world.
Youre a fucking retard and a clueless rider

**Maha** · 7th February 2011, 16:47

Originally Posted by Smifffy

I'd call that a good start, I wouldn't call it addressed.

True/correct, but then, I am only the events guy within MAG.
And thats all I know at this stage.
I am sure the inbox will have waiting replies, MAG pres is not home from work yet.
I have seen the MAG VP looking at this today.

**R-Soul** · 7th February 2011, 16:48

Originally Posted by scumdog

If people can't see a big-arsed railway locomotive with a big-arsed headlight (or two) and on a fixed track how the hell are we motorcyclists ever going to be seen consistantly????

That IS a good point... and there have been about three accidents like that in the last few months!
Put that way, we basically have NO chance BUT our own wits. The quicker we focus on developing the old spidey sense, the better. We just cannot afford to rely on even substandard road skills from others.

And unfortunately, even with the highest developed spidey sense, there will be circumstances where there is nothing you can do/could have done. Thats not to say that you shouldn't try though. There WILL be casualties. The quicker we start looking for thd small things that could possibly indicate irrational behaviour (like Katman says), and paying FULL attention, the better.

There should be more threads about what small things to look out for. We should be passing the experience down without having to actually experience it yourself. If you narrowly escaped a fuck up, let us know HOW. if you didn't escape a fuck up, let us know WHY. Dont let ego stand in the way....

**Tink** · 7th February 2011, 16:48

Originally Posted by Nonbeliever

katman, pack up your shitty old piece of crap and fuck the hell off back to your pathetic little world.
Youre a fucking retard and a clueless rider

I tend to disagree, but heh that is my opinion, and my right... WHY all the swearing...oh ye its a kber's right to name call, something called "sticks and stones will break my bones, words will never hurt me".

Honestly why not have a intelligent debate with him, maybe even out do him with your intelligence.

RIP to the biker down in my home town! I lived 2 min from where he came down....and there is accident after accident there.... 1 lane bridge each way....to 4 lanes.... its a blind spot, a bad spot.....a nutter set of lights, 50km over bridge, to 70km just after.... and they are still widening the road further on.... I have seen children in hospital from our school on that road.... !