Police say had the rider been wearing...

[PrincessBandit]

Pics taken in the same minute - only difference was the illumination.
Compulsory hi-viz = waste of time. Compulsory reflective = could be worth it, at night anyway.

It's why I never removed the mildly dorky looking reflective patches from my RSR2 helmet. Even if my bike is not easily visible the floating shiny mini-ufo's sure are.

[Crasherfromwayback]

What a fucken wanker.

You're full of shit.

dickhead. BULLSHIT.

You're sitting there at your computer telling lies aresehole.

. Again, you're full of shit.

Learn your lesson did ya dimwit?

Recognise this quote?

"PS Cheer up the pair of you, life's way too short to be pissing your panties on internet forums"

You should do...it's yours. I had a quick look through your posts, and seriously...I think you need serious help, or different medication.

[Johnny Sauce Pants]

Maybe,

Bacon, was trying to minimise the blame on the U turn done by the truck driver and put responsibility on the motorcyclist because one of their lot did a U turn in front of some motorcyclists not too long ago which ended in disaster, from memory.

Didn't the plod concerned deny any wrong doing at the time and it had to be proven in the courts. Just a thought .

[roadracingoldfart]

Nice effort at twisting the story Jimmy.

I don't need a hi-viz.

I ride with my eyes open.

Vehicles don't pull u-turns without giving some clues as to their intention.

For a start, vehicles can't do u-turns without their front wheels pointing out to the right.

Perhaps you need to put some serious thought into how to multi-task.

Perhaps instead of pissing your panties, you lot should realise that the comment suggests the probable introduction of wearing hi-viz as law.

I'd prefer we all learned to really open our fucking eyes and turn our fucking brains on when we ride rather than being forced to wear hi-viz.

As you seem to be some kind of GOD for motorcycling i want to know why you didnt save the poor guy , you have an answer for everything.
I see you comments as a confirmation of being a total cock.
The original post was about the reporting and i agree its really bad press but you turn it into something really fucking biased towards safety. The poor guys safety was overlooked by a really bad driver action. Simple. Hi - Viz vests will not retrain a womble.

[scumdog]

The thing about hi-viz vests is that if they have been working, you will never know....

EVERYBODY knew that, right people? right?

I mean ya all knew the obvious eh?

[Berries]

Anne may wear one at night (which is where they come into thier own).

Steady on, there are children reading this swearfest. FFS.

[jafar]

TV3 news and reporters within received the press release from MAG yesterday afternoon/early evening.

Thats good

I copy a reply I have sent out regarding the press release issued last night...

I really wish I had saved the link to the TV3 news story last night, though it appears it would not matter if I had, it is not available on their website. It was a news item where the police officer interviewed said that perhaps had the biker worn a H-Viz Vest the truck driver would have seen him.

A motorcycle rider is dead, allegedly because another vehicle did an unexpecetd u-turn into his path, and it is reported that Hi-Viz may have made the difference to him being seen, therefore still alive. Thin end of the wedge as far as we are concerned. Stupid comment to make without a full investigation, stupid comment to make without the proof. If that driver had actually LOOKED he would have seen the bike - there has been no mention of speed involved.

Is this the next draconian measure to assist the legal and legitimate biker rider in this country off the road? Talk about being marginalised. We ride a legitimate form of transport that is more eco friendly than a lot of cars out there. We lessen congestion, we pay our bills. Some of us have never claimed for ACC for a bike related injury yet we are all penalised for in a large part the poor driving skills of some of the people we share the road with.

Has there been anything received from TV3 ??

Something that resembles an apology to the family of the deceased rider would be a good start !!

An apology for their pathetic attempt at sensationalism to the rest of us wouldn't go amis either.

As for the cops, I guess we are lucky they havn't put in there that speed or alcohol MAY have been a factor as they do in just about everything else...... Any excuse to get free advertising on their pet hobbyhorse.

[jafar]

Hi Vis (ie the flourescent yellow / orange / green ) ON ITS OWN, isn't going to do much for you at night. Reflective strips, which not all hi-vis vests or jackets have, will help a lot.

If you read the labels on the dayglo stuff it will tell you that the non reflector stuff is for daytime use only & then only if it is CLEAN

They do make both types & they are relatively cheap

[PrincessBandit]

If you read the labels on the dayglo stuff it will tell you that the non reflector stuff is for daytime use only & then only if it is CLEAN

We're supposed to be clean as well???


Media rarely apologise to anyone, even if they're a well-known celebrity - Joe Nobody (to them, that is) would barely rate a second thought.

I'm sure the rider's family and friends and those of the truck driver will be rallying around them and while I don't mean to sound ungracious I'm sure our bickering and name calling on their behalf won't likely mean much to them.

RIP's from strangers can be meaningful, but if they read the rest of it who knows what they'd be feeling.

As for the Police, they'd be apologising every moment of the day if they had to for every unthoughful utterance that passed an officer's lips. Next thing, they won't say anything or pass any comment and the public will wonder what they're hiding...

[Scuba_Steve]

Media rarely apologise to anyone, even if they're a well-known celebrity - Joe Nobody (to them, that is) would barely rate a second thought.

And even when they do it's done in the form of a "passing comment".

[phill-k]

another unsubstantiated police comment regarding a 2 vehicle crash in CHCH yesterday morning as reported in the herald

Police believe that speed was NOT a factor in the crash, shame he didn't say something along the lines of but one of our officers has fucked up and gone through a red light through carelessness thankfully the vehicle he hit was not a motorcycle.

Interesting that the other vehicle was a mufti car perhaps if they had had high visibility sign writing the accident may have been avoided.

My apologies to all the serving and retired police officers on this forum for any harm I have caused but I just couldn't help my self

[Crasherfromwayback]

I believe the rider killed was a prominent Head Hunter. So Katman and Viscount, let me know how you get on after you've been to their head quarters and told them what a dickhead their dead mate was eh!!??

[Katman]

but you turn it into something really fucking biased towards safety.

And safety's for losers, right?

You surprise me - I'd always given you credit for having some degree of intelligence.

[R-Soul]

For starters ... the assumption that just because we have right-of-way ... does not mean we'll GET it ...

Exactly- it is incorrect and dangerous to even start off expecting rational behaviour from others.
So how do you go about looking for the clues that allow you to "mind read" others?

I have seen that many cars start moving over slightly to the side of a lane before they actually indicate (IF they indicate) to change lanes.

Another sign is them looking in their mirrors, or over their shoulder.

Another sign is the front wheel starting to extend out from the car body of a stationary car (like Katman says).

But you have to be looking for those signs for them to help. And yes, legally you dont have to, because its not your legal responsibility to think for others. But PRACTICALLY, you just cannot rely on others having a brain (apparently not even cops) - and I want to be around to walk my daughters down the aisle in 20 years time....

[Katman]

But you have to be looking for those signs for them to help.

(Just in case anyone missed it the first time).