Police say had the rider been wearing...

[avgas]

No that was a lot more disrespectful to his family than anything Katman said. Gang member or not, the guy was somebody's son.

Just like these guys
http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/Data/database.htm

the fact he rode a motorbike will get 'bonus' sympathy from me.

[avgas]

Not all gang members are morons.
In the same way that not all motorcyclists have a death wish.

Would your family be happy if you died in a bike accident only to hear a person say"motorcyclist... temporary NZedr anyway"

Though Katman might say that or at least imply it.

It seems many people expect respect without giving any.

I had no idea how much respect you have for the gangs in NZ.

Now don't get me wrong - the fact he rode a motorbike is irrelevant to what I said. He could have died by heart attack while sitting on the toilet - I would have just as little respect for him.

The only non-morons gang members I know of are trying to get out.
Tuff titties to the rest of them. Why should I respect someone who doesn't respect anyone else????

[R-Soul]

Get fucked - nothing I've said has been disrespectful.

Anyone who thinks so is just a softcock.

FFS its not all about you. That was my whole point. You had not said anything disrespectful (maybe just hard-assed) compared to what he said.

[saxet]

I had no idea how much respect you have for the gangs in NZ.

Now don't get me wrong - the fact he rode a motorbike is irrelevant to what I said. He could have died by heart attack while sitting on the toilet - I would have just as little respect for him.

The only non-morons gang members I know of are trying to get out.
Tuff titties to the rest of them. Why should I respect someone who doesn't respect anyone else????

I don't respect gang members as such...I do try to respect PEOPLE until I'm convinced they don't deserve it.

Unfotuantly there are people out there who feel the same about motorcyclists also...are they also right.

[R-Soul]

I had no idea how much respect you have for the gangs in NZ.

Now don't get me wrong - the fact he rode a motorbike is irrelevant to what I said. He could have died by heart attack while sitting on the toilet - I would have just as little respect for him.

The only non-morons gang members I know of are trying to get out.
Tuff titties to the rest of them. Why should I respect someone who doesn't respect anyone else????

Its not respect for the deceased rider - its respect for the dead, and their families - who may not be gang members. If you are a 16 year old kid reading comments on KB about how his dad (his hero) is an expendible mororn, how would that make you feel?

[avgas]

I don't respect gang members as such...I do try to respect PEOPLE until I'm convinced they don't deserve it.

Unfotuantly there are people out there who feel the same about motorcyclists also...are they also right.

That will only change if motorcyclists as a whole change.
I have noticed it recently as little kids wave to me.

Gangs on the other hand have not. Unless you count the salvation army as a gang.

[avgas]

Its not respect for the deceased rider - its respect for the dead, and their families - who may not be gang members. If you are a 16 year old kid reading comments on KB about how his dad (his hero) is an expendible mororn, how would that make you feel?

Pretty bad.
Which is probably why I would think gangs are bad too.

All going well we will break a cycle.

[FJRider]

(Just in case anyone missed it the first time).

Some will miss it every time ...

[PrincessBandit]

Spewing fire and brimstone at each other isn't going to solve any problems..

What were we arguing about again?

Two posts which sum up how this thread has gone. Pointing it out though will have no effect because many here seem to get too much pleasure from continuing in this vein.

[Elysium]

Did anyone wave today?

[bogan]

Did anyone wave today?

Was in the van so I couldn't. But vannage is painted in a high visibility yellow, so I think the lower visibility due to not waving cancels out.

[tri boy]

Its not respect for the deceased rider - its respect for the dead,

BINGO!
Neither the cop, nor katman realise this.
There is a reason to let a soul rest, if they are really unlucky, they will find out why.

[Katman]

BINGO!
Neither the cop, nor katman realise this.
There is a reason to let a soul rest, if they are really unlucky, they will find out why.

I'm not doing this for the dead - I'm doing it for the alive.

[roadracingoldfart]

And safety's for losers, right?

You surprise me - I'd always given you credit for having some degree of intelligence.

You can give me credit or shit , i dont mind at all as i know you dont have any ideas about who i am or what i stand for. Absolutely no idea so dont presume ok.

[That looks like fun]

I'm not doing this for the dead - I'm doing it for the alive.

To avoid confusion I would ask who these "alive" are that you are doing this for? I certainly hope that you have not chosen to take it upon yourself to do this for me? (I am alive)
The reason I hope this is that while I often agree with your message your total apparent lack of consideration, compassion and respect for riders involved in fatal accidents means you most likely will not be respected or listened too.
Playing word games may seem like fun to some on an issue such as the life of a person I deem word games inappropriate.
Spread anger receive anger. Its how it works,
I suggest you find a more constructive way to try and get your message across.
If you cant then please leave me out of your alive group your doing it for