MNZ board nominations

[Shaun]

So who told you our 'side' of the story then Shaun?? Someone you trust, but no one from the NZSRA?


Spot on Bob. But Shaun knows more than we do about it, 'cause he's got NZSRA's 'side' of the story too, but won't say who he's talked to.

Being an internet site, everyone has a right to comment on any of the issues raised on it. Remembering that there are always two sides to every story.
Shaun, Billy etc., have their views, I and others have ours.
The more information about the candidates put out to voters prior to an election is only a good thing.

Like you I guess Scrivy, I do NOT need to Proove anything, I can just call People lyers AT WILL, AS THIS IS ONLY THE INTERNET

[scrivy]

Regarding the National championship,The simple answer is this,The championship ran,The clubs catered for sidecars,MNZ advertised them,Some turned up,Some did not,Those that chose to stay away were the ones that wrecked it,For whatever reason !!!

Morning Billy,
Most of NZ's sidecar racers are 'club level' racers - even Steve Bron called us that!
Why is it that you don't get angry over the other classes that race at club level, but don't race at Nats level? Seems strange to me.
There are also a few sidecars in CHCH that either didn't race down south, or didn't do the full rounds either.
There are also alot of sidecars that only do the street meetings too.

Fully agree re the internet.It is everybodys platform to offer their side of the story and in fact I mentioned the same statement in reply too Steve just the other day.

How can you justify rubbishing Shaun for not having both sides of the story and making an assumption when you clearly stated on this thread,You havent and wont speak too Jim to hear his side??? And yet your adamant hes guilty even though the police havent charged him.
Jim has treated the NZSRA extremely badly since he's been President. Of all my dealings with Jim, he has never been prepared to listen to others, and even makes up his own rulings contradictory to MNZ's rulebook and constitution. As shaun says 'people lie, distort and twist....' Well, Jim did exactly that with several e-mails that were sent to him last year. For that reason, I will not speak to Jim, because I know he lies, and distorts, I have the proof to read.

As for Shaun, he has never once told us who he has gotten his information from. He is either lying or bullshitting. He can come on here and tell us all, but chooses not to. I have told you everyone I have spoken to, why can't Shaun??
Shaun has attacked the NZSRA for well over a year, (go back and read his posts).
If Shaun was genuinely interested in sidecars as he says he is, then why not get off his chuff and ring ANY member in the NZSRA for their views. Rather than stating untruths on here.

Im not in the least bit concerned whether Chris has plans to make changes or otherwise,
So why make that comment of leaving then???

Assuming my contacts were to be replaced Im not about to start all over again and Have notified the scholarship commitee at the Victoria MCC today.
As I've said before Billy, Chris hasn't got an agenda to do that, he's not going to screw you over. He is passionate about the junior riders too.


Chris is clearly stonewalling me

Billy, Chris isn't stonewalling you.
Saturday he was at the Tokoroa MX - and talked to Carmen and Bryan there also.
Sunday he was in Rotorua. Getting home late tonight I understand.

Most NZ racers aren't on KB or Facebook Billy, so Chris has decided to go to events and talk directly with racers, rather than writing something on here that gets twisted and distorted.

[scrivy]

Like you I guess Scrivy, I do NOT need to Proove anything, I can just call People lyers AT WILL, AS THIS IS ONLY THE INTERNET

Sorry Shaun,

You do yourself no favours when you state something that is blatantly WRONG, and can't provide more details about an event - other than the WRONG information you were fed by someone else.
Who are you trying to protect??

[Str8 Jacket]

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend

[Kickaha]

There are also a few sidecars in CHCH that either didn't race down south, or didn't do the full rounds either

This coming season we expect to have enough to be able to run three National rounds without needing any sidecars from up North

Sorry Shaun,

You do yourself no favours when you state something that is blatantly WRONG, and can't provide more details about an event - other than the WRONG information you were fed by someone else.
Who are you trying to protect??

Fuck you're a whining cunt, why don't you take your medication and fuck off home to mummy like a good little boy

[jellywrestler]

Most NZ racers aren't on KB

Superbike Nationals Competitors who are KB members, this doesn't include direct team members

Andrew Stroud
Craig Shirriffs
Sloan 'Choppa' Frost
Nick Cole
James Smith

Not a bad representation though eh?

[scrivy]

Superbike Nationals Competitors who are KB members, this doesn't include direct team members

Andrew Stroud
Craig Shirriffs
Sloan 'Choppa' Frost
Nick Cole
James Smith

Not a bad representation though eh?

...and how many will vote?

[scrivy]

15th February 2010 20:01 #181 Billy

The sidecar guys have made the effort to form an organisation to help move the sport forward,As an outsider looking in,It seems too me MNZ made a mistake by going against the associations wishes for a continuation of what appears too be the norm for a number of years,

Or is this a new mandate brought in by the new president and board so we dont continue to do the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result ?


Why have you changed your views now Billy?
Not taking the piss. I genuinely would like to know.

Scrivy

[Billy]

Billy, Chris isn't stonewalling you.
Saturday he was at the Tokoroa MX - and talked to Carmen and Bryan there also.
Sunday he was in Rotorua. Getting home late tonight I understand.

Most NZ racers aren't on KB or Facebook Billy, so Chris has decided to go to events and talk directly with racers, rather than writing something on here that gets twisted and distorted.

Sorry Hels,But I just gotta :-)

So What if Shaun doesnt want too tell you where he got his information from?

What if he got it solely from Jim Tuckerman and only has 1 side of the story?How does that make him less qualified than you to comment,You have stated here on a number of occasions you haven't spoken too Jim and got his side.

I'll ask you again to clarify how you can be right and everybody else wrong??????

RE Chris,If your going to tell BLATANT LIES your going too get caught out,Visit Marcus's facebook page yourself and you'll see he has answered questions asked after mine too Graham Bastow and Dee wintle before going away too the Junior Moto x nationals ????

Personally I dont give a rats butt if he doesnt answer them or what his agenda is as MNZ president! I dont work with the president directly as Ive already stated previously and by not answering them he's only making himself look bad,Why would I care about that?Im more than happy with the progress made by the current board and commissions and Ive already vote for Jim.

Leaving????? Dont think so!!!It makes NO difference too me whos president,I'll always be around as a competitor,I just won't waste my time banging heads with any newcomers that may or may not appear on the junior scene!!!

Oh and I said ALL the competitors not just NZSRA members

[Billy]

15th February 2010 20:01 #181 Billy

The sidecar guys have made the effort to form an organisation to help move the sport forward,As an outsider looking in,It seems too me MNZ made a mistake by going against the associations wishes for a continuation of what appears too be the norm for a number of years,

Or is this a new mandate brought in by the new president and board so we dont continue to do the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result ?


Why have you changed your views now Billy?
Not taking the piss. I genuinely would like to know.

Scrivy

I havent changed my views,I think its a good thing youve formed an association too take your views and concerns and it would be good if all classes had a similar set up.

What Im against is that just because the association had made a suggestion too MNZ and when it wasnt adhered too you guys have gone out of your way too destroy the National championship for all involved in sidecar racing and remember for whatever reason,Not everybody belongs to the association.

At the end of the day MNZ are the governing body in NZ and have the final say,Again the association is a good thing,BUT not the be all and end all and shouldnt be used in the way it appears to have been over the last couple of years.

We all want too see the sidecars out there,All the bullshit about dropping oil and the likes aside,A full grid of competitive sidecars is as exciting too watch as any class and you and Bob in particular,Spinning the rearwheel/passenger wheel in the air and waving to the crowd is a sight too behold,BUT it doesnt buy you or anybody else sole rights to how the championship is run!!!

Too compare apples with apples,There were a number of solo competitors that didnt want 3 rounds in the south island this past season also and they lobbied hard to get it changed.BUT when they failed,They still turned up and competed.

[gav]

Maybe its time for Sidecars to be dropped from the National class. I suggest the class that replaces them is is F4/F5, its about time this became a National Championship.

[jellywrestler]

...and how many will vote?

I've no idea, you could PM them and ask.
you quoted "Most NZ racers aren't on KB" and these were just the Superbike riders I know are here.
These riders are among the most respected in our sport, and others listen very attentively to their words, and these racers represent more than a third of the grids at the Nationals, in their chosen class.

[Shaun]

Sorry Shaun,

You do yourself no favours when you state something that is blatantly WRONG, and can't provide more details about an event - other than the WRONG information you were fed by someone else.
Who are you trying to protect??

Not trying to protect anyone or anything

Just figured if YOU can get on here and call people LYERS and DRUG users, I can also type anything I want to without any PROOF Just like you!

PS,I love the way you are prepared to take Jim to Court and SPEND OUR MONEY ( MNZ LAWYER FEES) Just so you can try and PROOVE you are correct with all this Dribble, Why don;t we all just walk away fom the sport instead and bugger the future of young up and comers that want to be as good as you were.

The TRUE big picture of this thread is, HE SAID SHE SAID Nothing more

PS, best of luck to Jim and Chris re the ellection, who ever gets the position will have my support, even though I would LOVE to see Jim in for at least more term

[scrivy]

I havent changed my views,I think its a good thing youve formed an association too take your views and concerns and it would be good if all classes had a similar set up.
I totally agree. Even Robert Holden said the same thing.

What Im against is that just because the association had made a suggestion too MNZ and when it wasnt adhered too you guys have gone out of your way too destroy the National championship for all involved in sidecar racing and remember for whatever reason,Not everybody belongs to the association.
We haven't gone out of our way Billy. People made their own decision that it wasn't for them. Why spend money in these tight times if you can't afford to do all rounds - be it time, money or work commitments? Some members did the north island rounds.
I would just like to say that I have never rung/spoken or tried to get anyone to not race at the Nats. That is why I keep asking Shaun to ring an NZSRA member. He can ask anyone himself. He keeps implying I have done that. That pisses me off Billy, as it's untrue, but he keeps implying that I am to blame somehow.

At the end of the day MNZ are the governing body in NZ and have the final say,Again the association is a good thing,BUT not the be all and end all and shouldnt be used in the way it appears to have been over the last couple of years.
I agree MNZ should have the final say, but the NZSRA have had discussions with MNZ about the same issues that have happened for well over 25 years. Not just recently.

We all want too see the sidecars out there,All the bullshit about dropping oil and the likes aside,A full grid of competitive sidecars is as exciting too watch as any class and you and Bob in particular,Spinning the rearwheel/passenger wheel in the air and waving to the crowd is a sight too behold,BUT it doesnt buy you or anybody else sole rights to how the championship is run!!!
Again, I agree with you Billy. But I have never asked for sole rights. I too would love to see a full field of rigs out there.

Too compare apples with apples,There were a number of solo competitors that didnt want 3 rounds in the south island this past season also and they lobbied hard to get it changed.BUT when they failed,They still turned up and competed.

I haven't been to Nats for 2 years (because the Busa sidecar was in the owners storage shed), so can't comment on that.
But wouldn't it be better in these tight times to have alot more machines at maybe 1 fewer round??

In a perfect world, if money was no object, I wonder how many club level guys would do the Nats if they could afford to do all the rounds?? That would make the nats grow too if some of them competed.

Thanks for your comments Billy.

Scrivy

[scrivy]

Those damn drugs do fark up your mind afterall............ LOL!!

Not trying to protect anyone or anything
Just figured if YOU can get on here and call people LYERS and DRUG users, I can also type anything I want to without any PROOF Just like you!
Read my post above Shaun. Where did I call Billy a drug user?? I say that to Bob, Spyda, Kick, hell, anyone!
You Shaun took it and ran with it. Not me! I am glad that Billy doesn't do drugs, that's another thing we have in common!

PS,I love the way you are prepared to take Jim to Court and SPEND OUR MONEY ( MNZ LAWYER FEES) Just so you can try and PROOVE you are correct with all this Dribble,
Our money, you mean the same $125,000 that Jim spent getting rid of Pav for his own agenda?
Sorry Shaun, but Jim HAS LIED, and you still haven't proven me wrong. So from where I sit, Jim would be wasting the money, not me.
And I would defend each accusation Jim throws at me, and you wouldn't??

Best of luck to the candidates.