Three Strikes Protest Run, 5 May

[Gearup]

Come on MAG admit it, you still haven't ticked all the boxes.

Good intentions, some great people but where has it all gone?

Participation would have happened if members had seen things were being done and I'm talking as someone who signed up and offered help in a professional capacty but got not support.

I could tell in the first month I was there that things weren't well organised despite all the assurance that MAG was going to kick arse.

[MSTRS:Me]

All these knockers...and they're not even tits.
Is there some problem in stepping up to be counted if others aren't 'doing it for you' ??

This is just like what KM rants about. Plenty who see 'the problem' - as long as it's in terms of being someone else's problem.

[Pixie]

Perhaps try something with the ''Riders Are Voters''...something new/something that will bring alive the mongrel that once was. Its not difficult...
It is an Election year after all.

Today's "Kiwi Mongrel"

[Gearup]

All these knockers...and they're not even tits.
Is there some problem in stepping up to be counted if others aren't 'doing it for you' ??

This is just like what KM rants about. Plenty who see 'the problem' - as long as it's in terms of being someone else's problem.

People wouldn't have to rant if they were listened to and supported don't you think?

In an organisation if the boss or executive team are wrong they wear the consequences ultimately but the planning takes care of most issues and adjustments can always be made if things aren't tracking well.

It takes leadership, resources and planning to get things done.

The human factor part of resources is the real tricky part but people will "buy in" if things are happening as I said.

Don't take suggestions/ideas/rants as negative. Maybe it's only about the adjustments that people can see are needed to be carried out.

[Pixie]

Hang on a minute, an organisation took my money to help fund the action required to combat an agenda I agreed with, I would expect some action from your end, and if MAG arent going to do that I want my money back.

And re gear im a biker to, not everything I do has to involve my business.

How many MAG rides did you attend?
How many Letters to the Editor did you write?
How many members did you recruit?

[MSTRS:Me]

People wouldn't have to rant if they were listened to and supported don't you think?

In an organisation if the boss or executive team are wrong they wear the consequences ultimately but the planning takes care of most issues and adjustments can always be made if things aren't tracking well.

It takes leadership, resources and planning to get things done.

The human factor part of resources is the real tricky part but people will "buy in" if things are happening as I said.

Don't take suggestions/ideas/rants as negative. Maybe it's only about the adjustments that people can see are needed to be carried out.

Fair enough. However...
MAG came into being because a lot of people were frustrated with their perception/s of Bronz and it's performance. These people fairly quickly discovered 'the problem'...
People are quick to support without really getting involved, and very soon fade into the background.

[Gearup]

Fair enough. However...
MAG came into being because a lot of people were frustrated with their perception/s of Bronz and it's performance. These people fairly quickly discovered 'the problem'...
People are quick to support without really getting involved, and very soon fade into the background.

I know, that's what people are like. There's only two real problems in the world: People and customers....

The Riders are Voters strategy sounds like the new mongel indeed. The biggest weapon in a democracy should be voting power. Surely in an election year you'd think government would be more than a little worried.

[oneofsix]

I know, that's what people are like. There's only two real problems in the world: People and customers....

The Riders are Voters strategy sounds like the new mongel indeed. The biggest weapon in a democracy should be voting power. Surely in an election year you'd think government would be more than a little worried.

At the risk of returning to the beginning of the circle, this is why those who organise need to be supported to organise a ride. The Politicians know most of us will vote according to our concerns without voicing them, therefore if a group rides they know they have put themselves out enough to demonstrate their concerns and are going to vote accordingly.
With this being an election year now is the time to remind the parties to consider our mood in their election policies/promises.
That said I am not an organiser but am a rider, sodler not a general

[bogan]

At the risk of returning to the beginning of the circle, this is why those who organise need to be supported to organise a ride. The Politicians know most of us will vote according to our concerns without voicing them, therefore if a group rides they know they have put themselves out enough to demonstrate their concerns and are going to vote accordingly.
With this being an election year now is the time to remind the parties to consider our mood in their election policies/promises.
That said I am not an organiser but am a rider, sodler not a general

Indeed, however, tptb will laugh and strike bikers off the list of 'voters worth buying' if the turnout is shit.

[oneofsix]

Indeed, however, tptb will laugh and strike bikers off the list of 'voters worth buying' if the turnout is shit.

true

[Quasievil]

How many MAG rides did you attend?

One, the Waikato one
I went on the Bikehoi from Hams
I also was instrumental in organising other protest rides such as the Cheesecutter ride.
I protested at the ACC ride in Hamilton also.

How many Letters to the Editor did you write?

None to the editor, about 4 to political parties, including Nick Smith, and our local politicians.
I also rung Paul Bennett (Nats MP) to have words.
Additionally I set out on a email campaign to all the National Parties MPs.

How many members did you recruit?

None, why would I bother at this point.

If Mags intention is to wait for its members to do the fighting why do we need Mag ?
And lastly if "I" havent heard about the actions MAG are doing without going to the website to find out, then you must be doing fuck all

that is outside squabbling amongst yourselves.

[Gearup]

true

Is it too late to get back to the cyclists?

They are "riders" as well obviously, it doesn't have to just be motorcyclists does it?

As we know the ACC levy issue is a much wider ripoff. It's multiple income streams from individuals already.

I've talked to cyclists who see the next step is of them being targeted for registration and safety levies!!

[bogan]

If Mags intention is to wait for its members to do the fighting why do we need Mag ?

Think of MAG-NZ as a resource pool, members know everyone there wants to make a difference, and members can get or provide help for various actions through MAG. That's the vision anyway, currently it is mainly the management/comittee/original members who are doing things. Maybe we need to do big things to attract members, maybe we need more member participation before we can do big things properly, bit of chicken-egg scenario really.
One thing is definite though, we have learnt a shitload in the last 8-ish months, and I'm not about to waste all that by buggering off. Theres some Sun Tzu quote that perhaps is applicable

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.

And lastly if "I" havent heard about the actions MAG are doing without going to the website to find out, then you must be doing fuck all

Have you been getting the MAG-RAG newsletter through your email? I know a few of our members haven't due to spam filtering etc.

[Maha]

I know, that's what people are like. There's only two real problems in the world: People and customers....

The Riders are Voters strategy sounds like the new mongel indeed. The biggest weapon in a democracy should be voting power. Surely in an election year you'd think government would be more than a little worried.

Tried to run with the Riders Are Voters strategy while I was the events person within mag but alas, I go back a previous comment where I said 'too many cooks'
Trying to get a 100% agreement on anything while there was more than 20 say soers was like trying to throw a tissue into a rather stiff easterly.

Theres the problem right there!

[oneofsix]

Tried to run with the Riders Are Voters strategy while I was the events person within mag but alas, I go back a previous comment where I said 'too many cooks'
Trying to get a 100% agreement on anything while there was more than 20 say soers was like trying to throw a tissue into a rather stiff easterly.

Theres the problem right there!

protest by committee