The welfare state

[mashman]

Bill says: "We don't know the situation of every New Zealander but it is a fact that main benefits have to increase each year at the same rate as prices and superannuation has to increase each year by at least the same rate as prices and often increases by more," he said.

[Brian d marge]

Like you could ever do serious

hey I did serious once ,,,, looked the bugger in the eye and said " i do " ...last time I do serious

Charlie Murphy did serious once , ,,,came home empty handed


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Bill says: "We don't know the situation of every New Zealander but it is a fact that main benefits have to increase each year at the same rate as prices and superannuation has to increase each year by at least the same rate as prices and often increases by more," he said.

inst it time to reming Labout that they started this ball rolling .. ( most likely from pressure from above )

Also food , what kind and how much ..I have woolies on line in front of me and what ...50 dollars for a week for a family ??

I would be more worried about the price of electricity ....and all the other crap that eats into a budget .....like speeding tax ( there ya go ,)

Governments , how about getting the basics right ( electricity , health , welfare transport infrastructure ) and let the market decide on the incidentals ( business , entertainment etc)

Are tiz but a lonely road to serfdom

Stephen

[Ender EnZed]

Also food , what kind and how much ..I have woolies on line in front of me and what ...50 dollars for a week for a family ??

A family of mice?

[Brett]

inst it time to reming Labout that they started this ball rolling .. ( most likely from pressure from above )

Also food , what kind and how much ..I have woolies on line in front of me and what ...50 dollars for a week for a family ??

I would be more worried about the price of electricity ....and all the other crap that eats into a budget .....like speeding tax ( there ya go ,)

Governments , how about getting the basics right ( electricity , health , welfare transport infrastructure ) and let the market decide on the incidentals ( business , entertainment etc)

Are tiz but a lonely road to serfdom

Stephen

Maybe it is just my frame of mind, but I am thinking that there are no decent politicians or government groups out there. Am I the only one HOPING that December 2012 resets mankind?
At present time, most of the world is in financial strife, at war or so broke it has the GDP of a corner store. I for one am looking forward to a clean slate.
Fuck this, maybe I should defect INTO North Korea.

[Brett]

They tend to be arrogant self serving biggots who think the world owes them a living.

That's a pretty unfair generalisation.

[Brian d marge]

A family of mice?

Fatso

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Maybe it is just my frame of mind, but I am thinking that there are no decent politicians or government groups out there. Am I the only one HOPING that December 2012 resets mankind?
At present time, most of the world is in financial strife, at war or so broke it has the GDP of a corner store. I for one am looking forward to a clean slate.
Fuck this, maybe I should defect INTO North Korea.

No just go next door and see how they are doing ...

trust me on this one

Stephen

[scissorhands]

The community problem of autism and neurodiversity in India is handled by making them into Musahar, or untouchables.

They're forced to live on the edge of cities, and were expected to catch and eat rats.

We could do that here?



Good going India! Take nerdy people with excellent academic qualities and make them catch and eat rats! Tell them they are untouchables and retarded and thats all they are good for!

No wonder your country is such a basket case! No wonder you have never designed a bike ever,

and your nation runs like a well oiled machine not

Anyone see Beauty and the Geek last night on telly? Good bit of positive enforcement there, nothing like making jokes out of a neurotype... and repressing this element of society. Fucken pricks

[mashman]

I would be more worried about the price of electricity ....and all the other crap that eats into a budget .....like speeding tax ( there ya go ,)

Governments , how about getting the basics right ( electricity , health , welfare transport infrastructure ) and let the market decide on the incidentals ( business , entertainment etc)

That I am... specially when they're about to put vast chunks of it in private hands...

They can't get the basics right, it costs too much, because some of that money is required to invest overseas to grow the economy, and we do have our debt to pay.

[oneofsix]

That I am... specially when they're about to put vast chunks of it in private hands...

They can't get the basics right, it costs too much, because some of that money is required to invest overseas to grow the economy, and we do have our debt to pay.

pay? I think you mean shift from government debt to private debt but still NZ debt. If NZ owes so much private debt in overseas exchange because of overseas ownership of so many of our assists doesn't that drive Government borrowing to balance the books?

[Swoop]

The Bill Rowling led Labour Government in 1974 enacted a compulsory superannuation scheme where each of us had personal accounts. National led by Robert Muldoon repealed the law when elected in late 1975. The money was returned to workers.

Its been viewed as a terrible decision in hindsight.

Dunno why.
I withdrew from the compulsory scheme when it became available (not that trusting that bastard muldoon to do anything intelligent though) and have been happy since.

No just go next door and see how they are doing ...

trust me on this one

Yup.
Especially with China upping troops on the border to get the smugglers under control and sending a message to the NK hardliners about their actions...

[mashman]

pay? I think you mean shift from government debt to private debt but still NZ debt. If NZ owes so much private debt in overseas exchange because of overseas ownership of so many of our assists doesn't that drive Government borrowing to balance the books?

That is probably the case. Although I suppose you could argue that it is good for the govt... in that selling on the debt means govt don't have to borrow as much (but probably will anyway)... all depending on who the debt sits with I guess. I'm sure we'll share the cost

[Winston001]

That I am... specially when they're about to put vast chunks of it in private hands...

They can't get the basics right, it costs too much, because some of that money is required to invest overseas to grow the economy, and we do have our debt to pay.

pay? I think you mean shift from government debt to private debt but still NZ debt. If NZ owes so much private debt in overseas exchange because of overseas ownership of so many of our assists doesn't that drive Government borrowing to balance the books?

Bit of confusion here chaps.

The govt intends selling 49% of the power companies and using that money to repay loans the govt owes to overseas lenders. So govt debt is reduced. That is good.

NZ doesn't owe private debt or public debt arising out of foreign investment in NZ assets. I'm not sure where you got that from, or I'm misunderstanding.

[Oscar]

That I am... specially when they're about to put vast chunks of it in private hands...

They can't get the basics right, it costs too much, because some of that money is required to invest overseas to grow the economy, and we do have our debt to pay.

This is confusing, even by your standards.
Why do we have to invest money overseas to grow our economy?
How does that and overseas debt (I assume that's what yer on about) relate to the price of electricity?

Surely there's a shit load of money being invested locally on energy generation?