Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

[Dodgyiti]

Just getting back to the 4km/k over bit...

Does anyone think there is an argument for speedo inaccuracy of older bikes (and cars) in order to put a plea of not guilty?
If so, what would be an approach to this type of defence?

Why I say that is not all bikes (or cars) can actually accurately register to within 5km/h by the time they eventually get to 100km/h.
My old 60's Holden ute speedo flutters at 60mph by about 5mph so I have no hope of getting close to 4km/h of 100km/h
I have road tests of my Mk1 where journalists write "...the wildly inaccurate speedo..." and my Ambassador that I ride every day is 5-7 miles out by 60mph with a nicely fluttering speedo needle. So my chances of being that close to the speed limit are slim to F/A.

Any gems of explanatory wisdom to get me off would be greatly appreciated thanks...

[Berries]

I don't see how you can mount a defence on the basis of using inaccurate measuring equipment, unless you are talking about the variance in Police equipment. You need to calibrate it so that you know how fast you are going, rather than waiting for the cops to tell you.

You could think you are doing a cruisy 98km/h but you may be doing a quite antisocial 105km/h. Obviously you will die instantly at that speed, so I'd get it sorted before you incinerate yourself.

[Dodgyiti]

They are 'factory' inaccurate. In days of yore we used mph. A flutter of the needle in mph is a lot of km/h. I had my speedo fully restored when rebuilding my Mk1, does not mean it is accurate because it never was from new.

[Brian d marge]

You haven't seen an Enfield Speedo it has a mind of its own

usually reads lower but even then i wouldn't trust it

Stephen

[Ixion]

Just getting back to the 4km/k over bit...

Does anyone think there is an argument for speedo inaccuracy of older bikes (and cars) in order to put a plea of not guilty?
If so, what would be an approach to this type of defence?

Why I say that is not all bikes (or cars) can actually accurately register to within 5km/h by the time they eventually get to 100km/h.
My old 60's Holden ute speedo flutters at 60mph by about 5mph so I have no hope of getting close to 4km/h of 100km/h
I have road tests of my Mk1 where journalists write "...the wildly inaccurate speedo..." and my Ambassador that I ride every day is 5-7 miles out by 60mph with a nicely fluttering speedo needle. So my chances of being that close to the speed limit are slim to F/A.

Any gems of explanatory wisdom to get me off would be greatly appreciated thanks...

No, sorry, not a starter.

Pre 1950 bikes don't have to have a speedo at all. Years ago, when they were more common, a few people mounted defences based on "I have no speedo, and dont have to have one, so I could not know I was speeding". All failed

Speeding is what is termed (I think) an 'absolute offence'. Simply, if a cop can show you were going faster than the speed limit you are guilty. The facts that you didn't intend to, didn't realise you were, had no way to know etc are irrelevant. All that matters is were you, or not.

This is different to say, burglary or murder or assault, where intent matters - the police have to show that you m,eant to do it/know you were doing it etc. Speeding, they don't. The only time it might be useful would be as a mitigation plea in a 'speed dangerous' charge. It won't get you off, but if the judge really believed that you din't know you were speeding he *might* cut you some slack on the penalty

[Jack Miller]

Nice rant. I'm one of the above mentioned trained monkeys.
To answer your questions;
Police don't build roads or intersections. Refer to your local council or LTNZ office.
We don't fix potholes. Refer to your local council or LTNZ office.
We don't provide public transport. See your local authority about this.
We don't build cheesecutters. Refer to your local council or LTNZ office.
We don't issue drivers licences. Refer to your local licensing agent.
We don't build passing lanes. Refer to your local council or LTNZ office.
We don't priovide duel lanes, altough I guess you mean dual lanes, not lanes for people to duel in. Certainly duelling lanes would mean pistols at dawn through open drivers windows. Imagine that.
We do, however, hammer shitty cars with the laws that exist. We process as many drunks as we humanly can. Few things give us more satisfaction.
We turn up at work every day to be pilloried, scorned and abused by such as yourself, and continue to go out and do the job we are told and paid to do.
I hope this clears up your misconceptions. But I doubt it.
Ho hum.

You don't build passing lanes but you make the ones we have got useless by
1. ticketing overtakers who slip a few k's over the speed limit and
2. refusing to ticket slow vehicles that speed up when someone tries to pass
It is now common to see a queue of vehicles traversing a passing lane at 80-90kph because the truck in front is a road hog and everyone behind is too scared to pass in case it speeds up forcing them over 100k to stay safe when you'll hit them with a ticket. Once the nice straight passing lane is gone and everyone is back into the windies the truck drops back to 70 and everyone curses you - quite rightly.

[Kickaha]

2. refusing to ticket slow vehicles that speed up when someone tries to pass

Can you show me your proof of this? I've been in court and seen a person prosecuted for it

It is now common to see a queue of vehicles traversing a passing lane at 80-90kph because the truck in front is a road hog and everyone behind is too scared to pass in case it speeds up forcing them over 100k to stay safe when you'll hit them with a ticket. Once the nice straight passing lane is gone and everyone is back into the windies the truck drops back to 70 and everyone curses you - quite rightly.

You must travel a lot different roads than I do because I've rarely struck that problem?

[BoristheBiter]

You don't build passing lanes but you make the ones we have got useless by
1. ticketing overtakers who slip a few k's over the speed limit and
2. refusing to ticket slow vehicles that speed up when someone tries to pass


i have seen a few cars pulled over for this.

It is now common to see a queue of vehicles traversing a passing lane at 80-90kph because the truck in front is a road hog and everyone behind is too scared to pass in case it speeds up forcing them over 100k to stay safe when you'll hit them with a ticket. Once the nice straight passing lane is gone and everyone is back into the windies the truck drops back to 70 and everyone curses you - quite rightly.

If i see a truck around here doing 90 i know there is a car in front holding it up, unless it is a horse float in which case it will only be doing 70.


nice dredge by the way.

[Hoon]

You don't build passing lanes but you make the ones we have got useless by
1. ticketing overtakers who slip a few k's over the speed limit and
2. refusing to ticket slow vehicles that speed up when someone tries to pass.

Dude in case you didn't realise, the '4kph+ ticket' war is over - won convincingly by the Police with their killer knockout blow last long weekend.
All the cop bashers have quietly slinked back into the shadows and were hoping that this thread would never see light of day again.

[oneofsix]

Dude in case you didn't realise, the '4kph+ ticket' war is over - won convincingly by the Police with their killer knockout blow last long weekend.
All the cop bashers have quietly slinked back into the shadows and were hoping that this thread would never see light of day again.

You are a deluded dreamer Hoon. QB 0 road deaths had causes other than the 4k :BS: as has been fully discuss here and else where. Nice Troll but next long weekend will revive all the discussion better.

[MSTRS:Me]

Dude in case you didn't realise, the '4kph+ ticket' war is over - won convincingly by the Police with their killer knockout blow last long weekend.

Of course that is what their Minister of Propaganda is going to say. Those of the public that believe it are in for a rude shock when reality 'returns'...

[BoristheBiter]

Of course that is what their Minister of Propaganda is going to say. Those of the public that believe it are in for a rude shock when reality 'returns'...

like when gas prices go down.
Can't see that happening anytime soon.

[MSTRS:Me]

like when gas prices go down.
Can't see that happening anytime soon.

True, that.
However, all that means is that people will continue to travel less than in the past, that being a factor in the lower toll.
Even the braindead public will eventually realise they've been had with the claims that a 4kph tolerance is responsible...or am I giving them too much credit?

[BoristheBiter]

True, that.
However, all that means is that people will continue to travel less than in the past, that being a factor in the lower toll.
Even the braindead public will eventually realise they've been had with the claims that a 4kph tolerance is responsible...or am I giving them too much credit?

I don't really know.
I have noticed that not many people overtake anymore (in cages) and that with the error in them most are only doing 90 at the most.
That might be a factor too.

[cold comfort]

You don't build passing lanes but you make the ones we have got useless by
1. ticketing overtakers who slip a few k's over the speed limit and
2. refusing to ticket slow vehicles that speed up when someone tries to pass
It is now common to see a queue of vehicles traversing a passing lane at 80-90kph because the truck in front is a road hog and everyone behind is too scared to pass in case it speeds up forcing them over 100k to stay safe when you'll hit them with a ticket. Once the nice straight passing lane is gone and everyone is back into the windies the truck drops back to 70 and everyone curses you - quite rightly.

This is so true-last trip back from Chch was in same boat. My RD was going nuts from being pulsed whilst in passing lanes, the bastards i attempted to pass kept speeding up thwarting that, and there was a line backing up as far as i could see What else can u do expect park in cruise control, fiddle with the stereo,and make cell phone calls to pass the time..:-)