Ticket for going too slow

[Jack Miller]

...and the slow old couple off for a jaunt in a fairly modern, small jappy or even a newish commodore are pretty much the same as some years back, sometimes you wonder why they didn't stick with the Morry 1100...if you are in a hurry or know that the extra 5 minutes you lose will make you late for that important meeting. they can be very annoying and often elicit extreme profanities and words that would not be acceptable to normal public speaking....anyway, I have found that as I approach an age closer to theirs I have become a little more acceptant of their style of driving...there is a straight bit somewhere in the next few k's and if nothing is heading your way, they are a slow memory in the past....

EXCEPT that, based on past experience you know they will speed up when they get to the straight bit. Probably not vindictively or even consciously, rather it will be simply because they can see further ahead, the road will be a bit wider as well as straighter, and they'll feel safer. But they WILL speed up and it won't be easy to get past. You'll probably have to exceed 100 to do it safely and if a cop is hiding up the road it'll cost you half an hour's roadside "education" and $150, which is more cause for "profanities and words that would not be acceptable to normal public speaking."

[bsasuper]

If it wasnt about the $$, then we would have an awsome public transport system, less people driving cars having accidents etc, but we dont.If it wasnt about the $$ the popo would have unlimited $$, but they dont so they choose to spend a large portion of $$ on stuff like latest radar guns, 100K+ for each speed camera van, for..........more $$.The only way a camera van will stop a person exceeding the posted speed limit is if the operator fails to enguage the hand brake etc and it rolls into traffic, which will cost...........more $$

[Jack Miller]

I hope this 70kph character was on/over the centreline, and actually obstructing those behind him - if he wasn't, what was the charge?

Car or bike, the speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed allowed - if I don't want to travel at the MAXIMUM speed, I move over as far as I can (without going on to the shoulder) so that those who DO want to travel faster, can. In my experience, it's the second or third car in the line that is the problem, in this case, a 30km speed difference should be more than sufficient for a competent driver to make a safe overtake UNLESS the road/traffic conditions prevent.

WRONG. According to Section 1.6 of the Land Transport Road User Rule: so long as it is "reasonably useable for the time being" the shoulder is part of the roadway.

If you are travelling at less than the speed limit and cars are following you have to pull over and let them past:
"If a driver’s speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass."
Land Transport Road User Rule 2004 S2.1(2):

[Jack Miller]

Bullshit, this crap has been happening as long as I have held a licence

I'm seeing more of it, and even more virulent forms like people deliberately moving into the right hand lane when someone approaches from behind, then hitting their brakes, then pulling left if the person tries to get past on the inside.

[Jack Miller]

...I haven't been dumb enough to get that many (demerit points), until two years ago I hadn't even had any
...

I'm curious, what changed in the last 2 years, your driving style or enforcement?

[Jack Miller]

Nothing stopping you from slowing back down and pulling back behind them, unless of course the cars behind you have already filled the gap

Just like the cop on the road you have missed the point. With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up and, given that speeding up while being is overtaken is illegal it's not reasonable to punish someone for not noticing it, or for reacting to it. On a modern bike it's easy not to notice - the difference between 100 and 120 on my bike is about 1 degree of throttle twist.

It goes like this: I'm following a driver doing 80; I get to a passing lane and pull out to pass; The passing lane is long enough for me to get past easily with a 20kph speed differential; I twist the right hand & time my maneuver so I'll be past towards the end of the lane; I check my mirrors; the passing lane is on a bend so I look ahead; a queue of cars is coming towards me; I watch it closely to make sure none of them pull into my lane in frustration; I check my mirrors again; I check the approaching queue again; mirrors; bend; queue; mirrors; queue...; I maintain my speed to be past towards the end of the lane; the overtakee has sped up; concentrating on everything else I don't notice this, my right hand just moves further than it would if he hadn't; I arrive safely past at the originally planned position; one of the approaching vehicles is a cop; the cop U turns, chases me and issues a ticket; I try and explain all this to the cop; cop doesn't listen; I explain again in writing to Cop's superiors; they drop the charges.

Hopefully this explanation helps you see what the senior cops saw.

[Jack Miller]

CAUSE? cause? I don't think they 'cause' anything sunshine.

So what is so important in YOUR life that you're prepared to risk your life and that of others to get there maybe five minutes quicker than you would following the slower car??

It's called provocation.

The question should be what gives the impeder the right to steal time from every other road user's life.

[bsasuper]

Unfortunately our popo's ticket writing culture,without looking at the circumstances, must filter down from the top, its the top mans job to know what is going on and how its done.

[scumdog]

Sitting on 80 or 90 demerits has a calming effect on your driving style ...

Sooo. the young guy with 225 demerits that just lost his licence here obviously didn't get that 'calming effect'

However he's going to lose the licence again for another 3 months when he gets it back, until he's below 100 points.

What a dumb-fucking-arse...

[FJRider]

Sooo. the young guy with 225 demerits that just lost his licence here obviously didn't get that 'calming effect'

However he's going to lose the licence again for another 3 months when he gets it back, until he's below 100 points.

What a dumb-fucking-arse...

The "calming effect" ... apparently ... doesn't work on dick-heads and dumb-fucking-arse's ...

And now all the "enforcers" in the area will know him and his car (and where he lives) ... should he wish to try his luck .... I'm betting he WILL ...

[BMWST?]

Just like the cop on the road you have missed the point. With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up and, given that speeding up while being is overtaken is illegal it's not reasonable to punish someone for not noticing it, or for reacting to it. On a modern bike it's easy not to notice - the difference between 100 and 120 on my bike is about 1 degree of throttle twist.

It goes like this: I'm following a driver doing 80; I get to a passing lane and pull out to pass; The passing lane is long enough for me to get past easily with a 20kph speed differential; I twist the right hand & time my maneuver so I'll be past towards the end of the lane; I check my mirrors; the passing lane is on a bend so I look ahead; a queue of cars is coming towards me; I watch it closely to make sure none of them pull into my lane in frustration; I check my mirrors again; I check the approaching queue again; mirrors; bend; queue; mirrors; queue...; I maintain my speed to be past towards the end of the lane; the overtakee has sped up; concentrating on everything else I don't notice this, my right hand just moves further than it would if he hadn't; I arrive safely past at the originally planned position; one of the approaching vehicles is a cop; the cop U turns, chases me and issues a ticket; I try and explain all this to the cop; cop doesn't listen; I explain again in writing to Cop's superiors; they drop the charges.

Hopefully this explanation helps you see what the senior cops saw.

you doing it wrong....you know they are going to speed up.Overtake like you mean it.As you approach the overtaking lane put on your RH indicator and select the appropriate gear.At the first opportunity PASS him.Dont modulate your speed till the end of the overtaking lane.Get past him pronto and then resume your speed.This method also gives the vehicles behind you time to pass.

[Maha]

Just like the cop on the road you have missed the point. With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up and, given that speeding up while being is overtaken is illegal it's not reasonable to punish someone for not noticing it, or for reacting to it. On a modern bike it's easy not to notice - the difference between 100 and 120 on my bike is about 1 degree of throttle twist.

It goes like this: I'm following a driver doing 80; I get to a passing lane and pull out to pass; The passing lane is long enough for me to get past easily with a 20kph speed differential; I twist the right hand & time my maneuver so I'll be past towards the end of the lane; I check my mirrors; the passing lane is on a bend so I look ahead; a queue of cars is coming towards me; I watch it closely to make sure none of them pull into my lane in frustration; I check my mirrors again; I check the approaching queue again; mirrors; bend; queue; mirrors; queue...; I maintain my speed to be past towards the end of the lane; the overtakee has sped up; concentrating on everything else I don't notice this, my right hand just moves further than it would if he hadn't; I arrive safely past at the originally planned position; one of the approaching vehicles is a cop; the cop U turns, chases me and issues a ticket; I try and explain all this to the cop; cop doesn't listen; I explain again in writing to Cop's superiors; they drop the charges.

Hopefully this explanation helps you see what the senior cops saw.

Oh god are you one of those drivers/riders that takes up the whole length of a passing lane to pass one vehicle?

On the flip side, dont ever accept a ticket of this nature as a given, the issuer is at the bottom of the list, he/she has superiors to answer to and they (at times) listen to joe public.
I got pinged at 119, wrote in an and got off of the pending ticket.

[scumdog]

you doing it wrong....you know they are going to speed up.Overtake like you mean it.As you approach the overtaking lane put on your RH indicator and select the appropriate gear.At the first opportunity PASS him.Dont modulate your speed till the end of the overtaking lane.Get past him pronto and then resume your speed.This method also gives the vehicles behind you time to pass.

Almost what I do to a T

Just that once past I move to the left to allow others that 'need' to get past me to do their thing.

[BMWST?]

Almost what I do to a T

Just that once past I move to the left to allow others that 'need' to get past me to do their thing.

yes,i left that bit out

[Kickaha]

I'm curious, what changed in the last 2 years, your driving style or enforcement?

Neither, I was just doing a lot more mileage, one was stupidity on my part coming back from the Greymouth street race and not thinking to hard about how the road is always more heavily policed and the other was inattention on my part and the speed crept up

I've got away with it far more times than I've ever been penalised for it and I reckon I've only had 4-5 tickets in 30 years, it's all about time and place and how much you're prepared to risk

With several other things going on at the same time it is possible not to notice that the vehicle you're overtaking has sped up

possible not to notice? I fucking doubt it