Police killing us again!

[Jack Miller]

So as a comparison how many fatals have the "red eyed rozzers" caused compared to single motorcycle fatals or multiple vehicle accidents where the motorcycle was at fault?

You'd have to divide the answers by the number of kilometers travelled by rozzers, single motorcyclists and other vehicles respectively. Given that other vehicles do about 3 billion ks per year I'd estimate the answer would show the rozzers to be more dangerous.

[PrincessBandit]

So as a comparison how many fatals have the "red eyed rozzers" caused compared to single motorcycle fatals or multiple vehicle accidents where the motorcycle was at fault?

Jeez Kickaha, start playing the game! It's clear that lots of motorcyclists would rather place the blame anywhere but on themselves. I've only been around on this site for a few years but that message is one that comes through loud and clear time and time again.

We all know accidents are usually as a result of a sum of contributing factors - any number of "if only's" are pointless after the fact. Forward thinking is what is required, especially when you're vulnerably on two wheels with only good gear (one hopes) and better-than-passable road skills to help save your arse. But I guess riding at a speed which maximises your chances of survival when you can't see what's around the bend, or over the crest, or further up the road isn't very exciting for some.

[scumdog]

You'd have to divide the answers by the number of kilometers travelled by rozzers, single motorcyclists and other vehicles respectively. Given that other vehicles do about 3 billion ks per year I'd estimate the answer would show the rozzers to be more dangerous.

Figures.

facts.

Or it didn't happen.


Oh, that's right, this is KB - as you were, ignore the above...

[FJRider]

... Actually, now that I put it like that the first responsibility doesn't require one to anticipate vehicles reversing towards you on your side of the road, just stationary obstacles.

Actually .... it does ...

If you DON'T ... you may die !!! (it's all about personal choice of actions ... I choose to live !!!)

The words ... I never thought THAT would happen ... are OFTEN heard in court ...

[Pussy]

Jeez Kickaha, start playing the game! It's clear that lots of motorcyclists would rather place the blame anywhere but on themselves.

Yeah, Kick! You should know by now that it's okay for a motorcyclist to ride like a cock or beyond their ability... and then have a big sook when it all goes pear shaped

[Kickaha]

Jeez Kickaha, start playing the game! .

Yeah, Kick! You should know by now that it's okay for a motorcyclist to ride like a cock or beyond their ability... and then have a big sook when it all goes pear shaped

Sorry guys I wont let it happen again well not until next time I don't agree with what's being said anyway

[scumdog]

Right, I've got more important things to do than sit in this kiddies sand-pit discussing bikers and what kills them and whose fault it is - it's snowing like hell out there and there's snow-balls to be thrown...

[Headbanger]

Sorry HB, even the 'biker kills other biker' far out-weights the 'copper kills biker' ledger.

I wasn't going by the numbers, I consider them largely irrelevant (1 is enough to prompt action) considering the other factors involved, Though I can see in your opinion there are no other factors.

[Headbanger]

Also, this is not "police actions" - it was one individual Police Officer

I don't agree, The bigger picture would indicate this is a problem within the police force, and while imo the cock who killed this guy should be hung for his actions there is also the need to implement systems into the police force at a much earlier level to curb this behavior before its causing havoc on the roads.

Training and monitoring will do far more then letting them be cocks and then giving them a slap on the wrist when they kill people.

[Jack Miller]

Actually .... it does ...

If you DON'T ... you may die !!! (it's all about personal choice of actions ... I choose to live !!!)

The words ... I never thought THAT would happen ... are OFTEN heard in court ...

Even so: "I didn't think someone would come over the hill at the speed limit" (which would have been enough to cause the accident in this instance) is a lot less credible and much more stupid than "I didn't think someone would be reversing towards me" (which would have been the case given that it was a 3-point turn.)

[Katman]

Even so: "I didn't think someone would come over the hill at the speed limit" (which would have been enough to cause the accident in this instance)

I'll ask you the same question I asked Kiwi Graham earlier.....

Are you telling us that you can't stop within 120 metres from 100kph on a dry road?

[MarkH]

How many motorcyclists have been killed or injured over recent years because of something stupid that a cop did??

How many motorcyclists have been killed or injured over recent years because they ride like idiots and treat the roads as race tracks??

Which is the bigger problem and therefore deserves more time and energy being expended on it ??

So we should ignore the stupid actions of police officer's unless they can kill enough of us to exceed the numbers of motorcyclists that kill themselves? Maybe the police should also ignore all traffic offences other than the one or two most likely to cause death of injury, because all the rest aren't nearly as important?
I don't understand the logic behind your reasoning so I'll just say: "what the hell?"

[MarkH]

Police admit it is reasonable to expect people to be travelling at up to 104kph on the open road due to speedo error and this is reflected in their enforcement policy. Therefore it is reasonable that a "Long standing HP Officer" would limit all his road-blocking maneuvers to situations where it would be safe if someone was approaching at 104. In this case it wasn't. Bad call resulting in death.

I'd go a bit further and say that it is reasonable to expect people to be travelling at speeds well in excess of the speed limit, after all didn't the cop just clock a ute doing exactly that?
Or is it acceptable to take the viewpoint "if they are speeding then let them die when they hit my car, fuck 'em".
My view is that the motorcyclist in this case paid too high a price for exceeding the speed limit and this just shouldn't have happened.

[Katman]

I don't understand the logic behind your reasoning

Removing your blinkers might make it a little clearer.

[Headbanger]

Removing your blinkers might make it a little clearer.

Or, You could just elaborate on why you think the numbers negate the issue.

One doesn't cancel out the other, they are unrelated and you are just trying to twist them together to support your point of view.

A point of view that I might add is the most affected by tunnel vision out of everyone on this entire forum.