Police killing us again!

[Biggles08]

I agree with you, I can understand why he did it, it was still a wrong decision & cost a life. $250 seems a very small price to pay.
There may be mitigating circumstances but plod certainly got off light.

I cannot understand why he did it when he is supposed to be a professional. Any halfwit with a peanut as a brain would understand where he did the U-turn was a dumb place to do one...its simple, mitigating circumstances or not, the Judge has done an injustice by the supposedly civilized standard we live in/by and personally I think needs some judgment placed back on him for this ridiculous decision.

[scumdog]

I cannot understand why he did it when he is supposed to be a professional. .

The same reason pilots fly perfectly good planes full of passengers into the ground on a clear day...

Or ships captains run their ship into other ships - or rocks...

People from all walks of life screw up at times, they make mistakes. (yes, big ones).

Luckily the rest of are not that type and will never make a mistake eh.

[oneofsix]

The same reason pilots fly perfectly good planes full of passengers into the ground on a clear day...

Or ships captains run their ship into other ships - or rocks...

People from all walks of life screw up at times, they make mistakes. (yes, big ones).

Luckily the rest of are not that type and will never make a mistake eh.

me? never
Its not the making of the mistake its the denying of it. (Ooops that sounds like a someone else if in a different context.)
There is a feeling the police don't like admitting they can make mistakes and if you don't admit to it how can you learn from it? The light-bulb case is a better example of this refusal to back down, like they think their authority comes from never backing down
If you don't admit to your mistakes and own them you don't learn from them.

[Zedder]

I cannot understand why he did it when he is supposed to be a professional. Any halfwit with a peanut as a brain would understand where he did the U-turn was a dumb place to do one...its simple, mitigating circumstances or not, the Judge has done an injustice by the supposedly civilized standard we live in/by and personally I think needs some judgment placed back on him for this ridiculous decision.

Agreed. This certainly doesn't foster any faith in the justice system the way it stands now.

However, there is a process for complaining about judicial conduct so at least that's an option.

[Kiwi675]

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321511

[oneofsix]

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321511

shhh you will give them ideas.

[MarkH]

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321511

They'll probably give the biker a ticket for illegal parking.

[oneofsix]

They'll probably give the biker a ticket for illegal parking.

would that be double parking?

[_Shrek_]

However, there is a process for complaining about judicial conduct so at least that's an option.

yeah on here as there are alot of X sperts

[Biggles08]

Luckily the rest of are not that type and will never make a mistake eh.

Scumdog, smartarse, degenerate sarcastic comments like that do nothing for your image as a law enforcer on a serious issue like this, loose the attitude and listen for a moment.

My comments are based solely on the 'appearance' of justice being done (or lack of) rather than bagging on about the cop being an idiot (in which he clearly is). I am not stating all cops are like this and indeed I personally believe this particular one is an exception to the rule. My anger in this whole situation is the Judgment handed down by the judge. It is an insult to the value he placed on human life and more so an insult directly at the family of Paul Brown, regardless of Paul's choices good or bad.

While we all make mistakes, serious or otherwise, I'm not backing away from my statement that anyone with a peanut as a brain could see the place in which the cop did the U-turn was never going to be a good idea. "I'll have em" is an attitude we can do without in the police force, and a professional standard of performance should be expected of the police from the public. Your argument about other professional organizations such as pilots etc is redundant, as any of these people (if they lived through the poor choices you were referring to) should also feel the full force of judgment as rightly they should do.

I rate this choice of the cop in discussion as far as "terrible choices" go on a scale as a pilot flying under the influence of alcohol. its simply dumb dumb dumb and no excuse is ever going to be acceptable. Obviously the judge sees it as only a minor issue deserving of a penalty of $250?!

[White trash]

I cannot understand why he did it when he is supposed to be a professional.

I can.

Any halfwit with a peanut as a brain would understand where he did the U-turn was a dumb place to do one...its simple,

Correct, any non enforcement driver looking for a place to do a U-turn would not have chosen that spot. However the officer was not "any non enforcement driver" was he? What do you do for a living Morris? I only ask because when I'm "on the job" my mind is generally committed to doing my job to the best of my abilities. If you were a enforcement officer, on traffic patrol and a vehicle heading in the opposite direction hooned past at 150kph +, would you not think that it needed to be stopped? 150 kays isn't an indiscretion, it's hauling.

I'm not excusing Mr Browns death, it's fucken horrible and unnecessary. His family are hurting and wanting some answers, as are the public. The cop involved has to live with this for the rest of his life knowing HE KILLED A MAN DUE TO HIS POOR DECISION, but this decision was made in an instant, in his proffesional capacity. The NZ Police force have to stand up and back the guy, taking his decision as their own, and dealing with the consequences as a group.

While we're talking about decision making, if mr Brown and his mate had decided to not race each other on that road (let's not kid ourselves) that day, Mr Brown would still be alive today.

It's terribly sad, and I certainly hope never to put my family in the position that Mr Browns now are. But I'm fucken selfish so Sue knows there's every chance they will one day be.

Flame me the fuck, calls it like I sees it.

I cannot understand why he did it when he is supposed to be a professional. Any halfwit with a peanut as a brain would understand where he did the U-turn was a dumb place to do one...its simple, mitigating circumstances or not, the Judge has done an injustice by the supposedly civilized standard we live in/by and personally I think needs some judgment placed back on him for this ridiculous decision.

Edit: By the way, your rant and finger pointing should lay with the New Zealand justice department, not the officer. He was charged, stood trial, and his sentence handed down.

[White trash]

Scumdog, smartarse, degenerate sarcastic comments like that do nothing for your image as a law enforcer on a serious issue like this, loose the attitude and listen for a moment.

My comments are based solely on the 'appearance' of justice being done (or lack of) rather than bagging on about the cop being an idiot (in which he clearly is). I am not stating all cops are like this and indeed I personally believe this particular one is an exception to the rule. My anger in this whole situation is the Judgment handed down by the judge. It is an insult to the value he placed on human life and more so an insult directly at the family of Paul Brown, regardless of Paul's choices good or bad.

While we all make mistakes, serious or otherwise, I'm not backing away from my statement that anyone with a peanut as a brain could see the place in which the cop did the U-turn was never going to be a good idea. "I'll have em" is an attitude we can do without in the police force, and a professional standard of performance should be expected of the police from the public. Your argument about other professional organizations such as pilots etc is redundant, as any of these people (if they lived through the poor choices you were referring to) should also feel the full force of judgment as rightly they should do.

I rate this choice of the cop in discussion as far as "terrible choices" go on a scale as a pilot flying under the influence of alcohol. its simply dumb dumb dumb and no excuse is ever going to be acceptable. Obviously the judge sees it as only a minor issue deserving of a penalty of $250?!

How about the AOS member who managed to somehow shoot the courier driver on the Nor' Western that day. Should he have been done for murder?

[oneofsix]

How about the AOS member who managed to somehow shoot the courier driver on the Nor' Western that day. Should he have been done for murder?

at least manslaughter, ok that is a bit smart-arse but do you think for a moment the judge would be as lenient on you for your small mistakes even when you have an excuse? The point of a lot of this argument is that the focus on speed at the cost of other safety factors is wrong and in this case contributed to the death of the biker. If the focus was on safety rather than pure speed the officer would not have pulled the u-turn where he did, the biker would be alive and the ute driver would have got his ticket another day.

[White trash]

at least manslaughter

Hmmmmm, really? Doing his best to remove a dangerous P-fueled fuckwit out of doing the public anymore harm.

How's this for a scenario.

A Holden ute is clocked py a traffic cop doing 157kph in the opposite direction, cop thinks "Hmmmmm, I'll wait for a bit till I find a slightly better spot to turn around, by which the guy will be long gone but ah well" and said 157kph ute loses it 4 corners later, in the proccess taking out your wife and kids on the returning school run.

Just so you know, that's going to inquest.

Guess who's going to be screaming from the galleries that "Those fucken cops didn't do what they could of at the time to stop the dangerous driver!"?

Need a hint?

[White trash]

The point of a lot of this argument is that the focus on speed at the cost of other safety factors is wrong and in this case contributed to the death of the biker. If the focus was on safety rather than pure speed the officer would not have pulled the u-turn where he did, the biker would be alive and the ute driver would have got his ticket another day.

Lol. Edited while I quoted ya khannn!

Maybe, maybe not. But while we're on that track, do you think travelling over a blind crest at 150+ kph is speeding safely?

at least manslaughter, ok that is a bit smart-arse but do you think for a moment the judge would be as lenient on you for your small mistakes even when you have an excuse?

Sorry, to answer your question, yes. A judge was. Charged with "Dangerous Driving" for a small (non dangerous) indiscretion, discharged without conviction. Can't complain.