Motorcycle licensing changes announced

[Shadows]

Bounty Boy is a cunt

[bogan]

So why does my bloody 800 cost so much to relicence?

Because owners of larger bikes generally have more income. I'm not sure if they decided the income compensation part of ACC justified the price split, or whether they just figure we won't miss it as much .

Manipulated stats are ok at a glance, or media quoting only the summary, but under any close scrutiny the erroneous assumptions used show through. Then you have the problem of how people would still rather believe an perpetuate the summary from the manipulated set.

[Voltaire]

I have 4 bikes ( two in bits) with rego on hold....I wonder if they are counted in the stats....?

[bogan]

I have 4 bikes ( two in bits) with rego on hold....I wonder if they are counted in the stats....?

Depends how you read them They are recorded in different categories though.

[davereid]

I asked ACC under the OIA what it actually cost to collect rego, if you consider the cost of actually managing the exemption system, the call center to manage it, the number of people that avoid it, the cost of debt collection etc.

I thought it was a simple question that any competent manger would know - ie what is the cost of your invoicing and debt collection ?

They answered "The document or data does not exist - we can't give you an answer as we don't know"

I must say that I was stumped - it never crossed my mind that ACC would be so amateurish that they don't even know the basics of their business.

But I soon realised that the fact they didnt know, told me more about the quality of ACC management than the figures would have.

But thats the facts.

So I'm hardly surprised when NZTA decide 660cc is safe for learners, based on solid international research.

And ACC say 600cc is deadly.

Once again ACC just demonstrate that they are incompetent.

[RobGassit]

By the looks they're still fucking up mopeds, they appear still to require absolutely no 2-wheeled knowledge or skill but of-course will still count against motorbikes in the stats.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree with you more on scooter traffic.In Wellington they wobble around between lanes at 35 to 40 kph, like tourists looking for a park.You just can't be sure what the hell they are going to do next.Bloody nightmare! And when they do crash, it's going in the stats against motorcyclists.

[gordons]

By the looks they're still fucking up mopeds, they appear still to require absolutely no 2-wheeled knowledge or skill but of-course will still count against motorbikes in the stats.

I couldn't agree with you more on scooter traffic.In Wellington they wobble around between lanes at 35 to 40 kph, like tourists looking for a park.You just can't be sure what the hell they are going to do next.Bloody nightmare! And when they do crash, it's going in the stats against motorcyclists.

So this means if a scooter has a crash the stat count goes against motorcycles although the scooter rider did not have a motorcycle licence? Holy crap, in which dictionary or google ‘hit’ did they see this definition of a scooter? Way to easy ammo to skew figures to suit in my opinion. Please tell me I’m confused.

[Hopeful Bastard]

Is there a list available for which bikes learners WILL be allowed to ride in NZ?

The current lists I have seen have been Australian/UK. After the NZ one if there is one, As my Bandit doesnt feature on any of the lists..


Also, Does this mean I will have to purchase a new bike or can I keep this one?

[Spearfish]

So this means if a scooter has a crash the stat count goes against motorcycles although the scooter rider did not have a motorcycle licence? Holy crap, in which dictionary or google ‘hit’ did they see this definition of a scooter? Way to easy ammo to skew figures to suit in my opinion. Please tell me I’m confused.

They are supposed to record the cc in the stats part of the crash report. Thats why bigger bikes get the higher ACC.......cause they crash more.

Mopeds are 50cc and under 2kw and $176 per year to rego..hahahahahhaha suckers!

Scooters are from 60cc up to currently 800cc and need the full rego and a bike licence at $400 +...good value for a 70cc bike I reckon, $400 bucks

[BevanPT]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10748840

The Government has confirmed a series of rule changes it hopes will reduce the high rate of motorcycle accidents.

What gets me is that these changes are all aimed towards the motorcycle rider. Where's the same targeting of car drivers to improve their driving? Why aren't there the same restrictions on the engine size for novice car drivers? Why not have the same licensing system for car drivers?

[pzkpfw]

They are supposed to record the cc in the stats part of the crash report. Thats why bigger bikes get the higher ACC.......cause they crash more.

Not just that.

As noted in a post above yours, owners of bigger bikes tend to earn more, so they cost ACC more in terms of income-related payments; so they need to collect more from such owners.


(It's actually a reason why owners of newer "SAFER" cars - don't - get cheaper ACC; because they actually cost ACC more (owners of newer "safer" cars have those newer "safer" cars because they earn more...).)

[Indiana_Jones]

So they say the cc limit is out dated and power weight is the way to go....

So why the fuck is my rego judged by cc ratings? oh wait that's right, that nick 'cunt lips' smith said people with bigger cc bikes earn more.

I hope he gets an pick axe in his fucking head.

Edit: I see pzkpfw got there first!

-Indy

[tnarg]

It appears the new rule for approved bikes will come into effect on October 2012.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...LM3956578.html

[shonofear]

ha, yea the original news thread said October 2011 or October 2012, always seems to be the latter.
but seems like its actually gonna happen this time for you NZers.
since im Ozzie and been reading heaps about this since coming here initially thinking id be on a same LAMS power to weight ratio system was forced onto a 250cc.
at least i can sell me 250 bike when i leave with some value left still on it (Dec)

[tigertim20]

There goes the resale value of your 250....

Good,I have thought for a long time that the perceived value of alot of 250s were way tofucking high.Of course, it will probably be quite good for the reslae of the eligible 600's and 400's too, so there will be a counter balance to that.

Any evidence for that?

Without doing any research: I would expect number of motorcycles per motorcyclist to increase with wealth which generally increases with age. I'm sure the average age of motorcyclists is much higher now than in the 70s but I wouldn't be so confident about the last 10 years. The born agains might be balanced out by the more recently licenced, who tend to be younger.

This is of course speculation, I'm hoping someone will be bothered proving me right or wrong.

you could really only rely on their stats to prove/disprove that, and we all know how innaccurate their stats are. I imaginehe is going off personal experience, and I would agree. Ive reduced the number of bikes I own from 6 or so down to 1 this year alone.

Is there a list available for which bikes learners WILL be allowed to ride in NZ?

The current lists I have seen have been Australian/UK. After the NZ one if there is one, As my Bandit doesnt feature on any of the lists..


Also, Does this mean I will have to purchase a new bike or can I keep this one?

youll be able to ride your 250 I think, I understood that they were basically going to copy the aussie list. that means NO 250cc 2 strokes, but all 4 stroke 250s are ok, after that there will be a list of approved bikes up the the limit of 650cc that youcan have. Other than that, you will I understand, be able to write in with the details of a bike you intend to use, and if they agree that it fulfills the criteria, they will allow it, even if it isnt on the list. I guess the list will update every few years to add brand new models etc etc. though I do wonder what will happen whensay a particulr approved model gets a new engine that has a power output which exceeds the criteria . . .