Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[Mad-V2]

Yea I know the NZTA aint supporters of anything "advanced". They're excuse for being anti them is "if we teach people the skills to save their lives the boyracers are just going to go round doing donuts & drifts" despite the fact that they are going to do that regardless just without the skill. It's the old "if we don't talk about suicide they won't do it" thing

Do you think if you added things like traffic accident scene videos, and visits from people who have suffered immensely from dangerous driving/drivers to the courses, that could be a deterrent to that sort of behaviour.

[Scuba_Steve]

Wondered when this would arise so I've prepared a response.

NEVER LET THE FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD WHINGE

9% of the tickets my section issued last year were for speed.

So there.

Whoa!

Makes me look like a right Road-Nazi with my 12%...

I hope you boys are still meeting your quotas tho, I'd hate to think you were missing out on donuts

[george formby]

Wrote a rambling note about speeding tickets on another thread, then decided it was off topic so deleted it. It was the POP radar detector thread.

It caused me to ponder why it's such an emotive issue. Exceed the tolerance applied to the legal limit, get a ticket, isn't that just how the law works? Why so much grief about it?

Sheesh.

Pour moi, it's hesitating to use the overtaking lane to get past the slow driver you pulled recently (I think t'was you, applause) who has just put his foot down to 110 after travelling at 70kmh for the last 15k's. I don't want no ticket but often feel forced to drive at the pace of inconsiderate & usually inattentive drivers & feel vulnerable to their actions. This happened to me yesterday & the only overtaking opportunity's I had often have a mobile ready & waiting. Soooo, on a lovely day, dry road, my speed was between 50 & 80kmh for 35 minutes behind a driver crossing the white line & hitting the verge because they were using a mobile phone & constantly rabbiting to their passenger.
I would be most dis-chuffed getting pinged for putting my safety first if ticketed for overtaking a numpty.
I have no beef with the law or it's enforcement but it is not making better road users. Gripe. Done.

By the same token, you speed habitually, you get caught, tough. Save it for the track.

[scumdog]

I'll bite.

1. Speeding (over the limit) is supposed to be unsafe - bollox (most of the time).
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Sadly some people have NO idea about when it is saf/unsafe to go fast, as such the ptb decided that should they crash it better they do so at a lower speed to minimize the damage..

So the rest of us pay for their incompetence by having a speed limit to adhere to (mostly).

Make the drivers licence test a real test - and make people pay for training to be able to pass the test which will not have a 'scratchie' component, fail the test and you go 'down the snake' to start training again.

Then raise the speed limit a little in appropriate areas i.e. 125 on motorways etc.

And make it so the fines for speeding are minimal but up the demerits just a tad.

Then have it that if you exceed the 100 demerits within a year you have to start at scratch and redo your licence from the start again - training and everything.

And the Govt gets the take from training rather than tickets.

My little sort-of-almost-a-rant.

[Scuba_Steve]

Do you think if you added things like traffic accident scene videos, and visits from people who have suffered immensely from dangerous driving/drivers to the courses, that could be a deterrent to that sort of behaviour.

for some it would, but then you'd have the whole PC brigade with "you cant show them that". Others it would have no effect, after all no amount of "gruesome" accidents could talk me out of jumping on a bike, & the people they did try. "bikes are dangerous" I'm sure a few others here have had the same

[Scuba_Steve]

Sadly some people have NO idea about when it is saf/unsafe to go fast, as such the ptb decided that should they crash it better they do so at a lower speed to minimize the damage..

So the rest of us pay for their incompetence by having a speed limit to adhere to (mostly).

Make the drivers licence test a real test - and make people pay for training to be able to pass the test which will not have a 'scratchie' component, fail the test and you go 'down the snake' to start training again.

Then raise the speed limit a little in appropriate areas i.e. 125 on motorways etc.

And make it so the fines for speeding are minimal but up the demerits just a tad.

Then have it that if you exceed the 100 demerits within a year you have to start at scratch and redo your licence from the start again - training and everything.

And the Govt gets the take from training rather than tickets.

My little sort-of-almost-a-rant.

Still don't like it but it would be a fuckload better than we have now

[george formby]

Sadly some people have NO idea about when it is saf/unsafe to go fast, as such the ptb decided that should they crash it better they do so at a lower speed to minimize the damage..

So the rest of us pay for their incompetence by having a speed limit to adhere to (mostly).

Make the drivers licence test a real test - and make people pay for training to be able to pass the test which will not have a 'scratchie' component, fail the test and you go 'down the snake' to start training again.

Then raise the speed limit a little in appropriate areas i.e. 125 on motorways etc.

And make it so the fines for speeding are minimal but up the demerits just a tad.

Then have it that if you exceed the 100 demerits within a year you have to start at scratch and redo your licence from the start again - training and everything.

And the Govt gets the take from training rather than tickets.

My little sort-of-almost-a-rant.

That was my take on the propaganda too. Well said.

[Kickaha]

As far as seat belts and helmets.... IMO it should be the person's choice.

So long as they pay for their own hopitalisation and treatment if they crash that's fine by me, if I have to contribute to it then fuck them, leave them to die on the side of the road

Do you think if you added things like traffic accident scene videos, and visits from people who have suffered immensely from dangerous driving/drivers to the courses, that could be a deterrent to that sort of behaviour.

It wouldn't make any difference to most people after all "it'll never happen to me"

[Mad-V2]

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It wouldn't make any difference to most people after all "it'll never happen to me"

Agreed, and the "it'll never happen to me" mentallity will be reinforced as they have just aquired the tools to "keep safe"

As for increasing speed limits to everyone on the road....Dont read this

[rastuscat]

yeah but your results are skewed because you're in the STG, right? or the guy that visits schools with the dog to keep kids off drugs? or in the DLA?

Nope. Team Leader, Road Policing Group. 9% of my teams tickets are speed. 91% are for the other stupid things people do in vehicles.

Disappointed? You;ll need to find another conclusion to jump to.

[rastuscat]

You're from rangiora.....so what's the percentage issued for no rego or warrant?

Surprisingly few, given the number of Valiants out here

[Berries]

It wouldn't make any difference to most people after all "it'll never happen to me"

And most people with that view would be right.

[scumdog]

And most people with that view would be right.

But when it does it can be Really Bad(tm).

And people rarely choose to have it happen to them.

Or welcome it.

So 'do you feel lucky punk, do you?'

[rastuscat]

No when speed increases your injuries or chance or death increases, if you crash. NOT the risk of crashing, that decreases (in the real world)

Thats the point. I wrote that days ago. The bit about your risk of injury or death increasing IF YOU CRASH.

No matter who causes a crash, the faster one party is going, the greater kinetic energy is imparted i.e. the bigger the mess.

If we could guarantee that crashes weren't going to happen, raising the speed limit would be easy. But we can't.

We don't live in a Utopian world of drivers who will see the bike coming ALL THE TIME, roads that NEVER HAVE GRAVEL ON THE PERFECT CORNERING LINE, any of those cool things.

Skoober Steve, good that we agree on that then.

[Gearup]

Nope. Team Leader, Road Policing Group. 9% of my teams tickets are speed. 91% are for the other stupid things people do in vehicles.

Disappointed? You;ll need to find another conclusion to jump to.

Nice shot of your rear number plate on the "Collected some revenue thread" R, I'll give you a toot and wave next time I see you.