Problems on our roads - with effwits like this.

[Usarka]

Same for driving under the influence of illicit drugs.

Why did you add the word illicit? Do you think it is ok to use prescription drugs that negatively affect your reactions and alertness and then drive?

[Edbear]

Why did you add the word illicit? Do you think it is ok to use prescription drugs that negatively affect your reactions and alertness and then drive?

That's not quite as simple to police, though. Everyone should exercise intelligence with regard to their fitness to drive, but legal drugs would open a can of worms as the warnings are not specific enough to stand up in court. If it was proven that a prescription drug was behind an accident, I guess they could use the charge of careless use, as they can with any distraction including fatigue.

Prescription drugs generally have different side effects for different people and it would require legislation based on scientific evidence that a particular drug has a particular effect, as is the case with illegal drugs which do have a known and predictable effect on people, it can only be argued how much it affects individuals, not the nature of the effect.

That's why the PTB are having difficulty with legislation as to the level of intoxication and have to resort to roadside testing to ascertain someone's fitness to drive. I'd be happy for anyone to be tested thusly regardless of what they have taken and treated the same.

[tigertim20]

These days there is absolutely no excuse for drink-driving and any person caught should automatically lose their licence for 28 days on first offense. Repeat offenders automatically 28 days in jail and 12mths loss of licence; racidivist offenders increasing jail time until they get the message along with permanent loss of licence.

Same for driving under the influence of illicit drugs.

Yeah, I know, I'm dreaming, right..?

but thats not fair, how will he be able to right his wrongs and become a contributing member of society after he has been rehabilitated, if he cant have a car to drive to jobs and stuff?

^^this attitude from do-gooder types is the reason that will never happen.
NZ doesnt want to accept that some people are just cunts and simply WONT, or dont WANT to be 'rehabilitated'

[scumdog]

Why did you add the word illicit? Do you think it is ok to use prescription drugs that negatively affect your reactions and alertness and then drive?

NORMALLY they have instructions re driving/operating machinery after taking them

Haven't seen too many illicit drugs with the same.

[98tls]

Suck it up T,thing is its only going to get worse.When the "unsmackables" come of age she will be all on.Dont fret for them though theres any ever growing army of do gooders massing to ensure they never understand right from wrong.

[tigertim20]

Suck it up T,thing is its only going to get worse.When the "unsmackables" come of age she will be all on.Dont fret for them though theres any ever growing army of do gooders massing to ensure they never understand right from wrong.

unsmackables? - HA!.
wait till THEY have children, theyll have gone their whole lives doing what they want and nobody stopping them. how are they gonna deal with children who misbehave and challenge them?
Theyre gonna beat the fuck out of them!!
Win.

[Edbear]

but thats not fair, how will he be able to right his wrongs and become a contributing member of society after he has been rehabilitated, if he cant have a car to drive to jobs and stuff?

^^this attitude from do-gooder types is the reason that will never happen.
NZ doesnt want to accept that some people are just cunts and simply WONT, or dont WANT to be 'rehabilitated'

That's the real issue, not everyone drives after drinking, and it is the OP that really gets everyone going. Some make a mistake or a error of judgement and the short sharp sentemce I proposed would sort them out. By the time they are recidivist, nothing will stop them except physically preventing them getting behind the wheel.

NORMALLY they have instructions re driving/operating machinery after taking them

Haven't seen too many illicit drugs with the same.

Nor bottles of booze, either, but that doesn't alter the fact that everyone knows that drink/drug driving is illegal if not dangerous. NO excuses!

[Brian d marge]

That's the real issue, not everyone drives after drinking, and it is the OP that really gets everyone going. Some make a mistake or a error of judgement and the short sharp sentemce I proposed would sort them out. By the time they are recidivist, nothing will stop them except physically preventing them getting behind the wheel.



Nor bottles of booze, either, but that doesn't alter the fact that everyone knows that drink/drug driving is illegal if not dangerous. NO excuses!

true , no excuses, but ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Scotland yard found out that , people don't care about being caught , just the chances of being caught , and add to that a society from which we produced and reap the rewards of ( Mexican five families , book one should read ) then stands to reason you may get-the vocational ( thank you spell check for once you were right !!) drop kick ,

in greenhouse created by one self , it pays not to throw stones , too far

Stephen

[Edbear]

true , no excuses, but ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Scotland yard found out that , people don't care about being caught , just the chances of being caught , and add to that a society from which we produced and reap the rewards of ( Mexican five families , book one should read ) then stands to reason you may get-the vocational ( thank you spell check for once you were right !!) drop kick ,

in greenhouse created by one self , it pays not to throw stones , too far

Stephen

Hence the three steps to my proposal.

[Pussy]

Hence the three steps to my proposal.

Touchy feely do-gooder bullshit doesn't work!

[Edbear]

Touchy feely do-gooder bullshit doesn't work!

Touchy feely? Did you actually read my post?

These days there is absolutely no excuse for drink-driving and any person caught should automatically lose their licence for 28 days on first offense. Repeat offenders automatically 28 days in jail and 12mths loss of licence; racidivist offenders increasing jail time until they get the message along with permanent loss of licence.

Same for driving under the influence of illicit drugs.

[Brian d marge]

Touchy feely? Did you actually read my post?

These days there is absolutely no excuse for drink-driving and any person caught should automatically lose their licence for 28 days on first offense. Repeat offenders automatically 28 days in jail and 12mths loss of licence; racidivist offenders increasing jail time until they get the message along with permanent loss of licence.

Same for driving under the influence of illicit drugs.

Actually I must admit I missed it , but went back to have another look., yes its a good punishment , but people don't take into consideration the punishment , only the chances of getting caught ( according to Scotland yard in the last few pages of their history of...)

Also , you need to create an environment in which people make their own rules or judgment based on erroneous , influences ( ie being a have not , and not giving a shit . as no one gives a shit about me so why should I care about them...sort of thing )

you do that by economics ,

Having created these 2 environments , you then park the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff and start , jailing , cleaning up , or hanging a few ....

Works a treat ( see england for proof of this )

While you wont reduce stupidity , you can reduce it , by changing peoples environments and upbringings


IMHO

Stephen

then you NAIL EM UP

[PrincessBandit]

A driver caught drink driving twice in the same night told Rotorua police: "I didn't kill anyone so what's the problem?''
............The man was caught again more than three hours later at another checkpoint driving another car. He gave a reading of 757mcg and told police: "I didn't kill anyone so what's the problem?''.

Been the excuse of all ages past and to come: "no-one got hurt so what's the problem" nothing new here.

unsmackables? - HA!.
wait till THEY have children, theyll have gone their whole lives doing what they want and nobody stopping them. how are they gonna deal with children who misbehave and challenge them?
Theyre gonna beat the fuck out of them!!
Win.

And that is what swings and roundabouts are all about. They reckon it takes 3 generations to make and lose money: one to work their arses off to make it, the next to reap the benefits of what their parents scrimped and saved for, the third to not appreciate it and blow it all. Same with discipline - parents who were brought up with harsh punishments will often go to the other extreme with their kids as they don't want them to suffer as they did (talking about generally caring parents here, who do love their kids not see them as a burden to bear through life); by the time their kids have children they are so used to being allowed to do whatever they like that all of a sudden a reversal in the punishment stakes is required to bring discipline back on track.