World lacks enough food, fuel as population soars

[SMOKEU]

There is a large about of irony in your post; admiring Buddhism for not breeding hate, while expressing your general level of bigotry and hate for anyone not like you. Just sayin'. (And I'm not picking on you, but hating, like smoking, will kill you. One of the big challenges of life is to love everyone, even those you really want to hate).

I've already stated that I have no problem with Muslims or blacks - as long as they stay in their own countries and don't spread their primitive behaviour and extremist beliefs into white countries. I say leave them in "peace".

[Kickaha]

as long as they stay in their own countries and don't spread their primitive behaviour and extremist beliefs

Pity you didn't do the same

[SMOKEU]

Pity you didn't do the same

I never went to other countries and tried to spread my violent and extremist beliefs.

[mashman]

Yeah, I think nutrition has a role to play, but it's only one factor in a composite set. Massive monocultures are the main cause of nutrition issues (have you seen the almond orchards they refer to in that story - horizon to horizon... madness), complex and poorly understood insecticides, trucking bees around the country wrapped in cling-film, meddling around with lots of imported genetics... and that's just the stuff we do actively. Add in other background toxicity from the way we live plus natural things like varroa and nosema and it is amazing we have any bees at all.

True... everything needs the correct nutrition to grow well and properly... shame we feel the need to "overclock" everything. Yeah I've seen the orchards as well as the Eucalyptus fields for paper, which poison the earth below them to a point where nothing else lives. I think my fave, sarcasm, are the Palm Oil fields in Bolivia... forests removed and replace with the fuckers. I wouldn't mind genetically grown food if they grew it indoors via hydroponics or aquaponics and left the "natural" world alone... but there ain't no money in it.



Some day people will suddenly click that doing things for money does nothing for us. We're told to save for the future and yet that's at the cost of our future. Fuckin brainless morons with zero concept of the world around them. No doubt they'll scoff when they read that little ditty, but that'll just prove the point. Fantastic technology is available yet because it may replace a massive part of an existing industry (like hemp) and the resultant job losses these technologies will never become mainstream. The technology is there, but the money isn't to pay for it . I'd love to see NZ ditch the cash and set itself up for life... instead of for profit. Until then the loonies will run the asylum and those in control will keep on voting for them. Fuckin morons.

[SPman]

Solutions aren't impossible, but they involve major changes in how we live, work, eat, grow food, and what we do in many spheres of life, individually, nationally, and globally.

Fat chance - and doesn't that apply to so many things looming up in the near future.......

[mashman]

Fat chance - and doesn't that apply to so many things looming up in the near future.......

Why does the change have to be radical? The simplest thing is removing the money factor. After that it won't matter if there is massive unemployment as people will still be fed etc... we'll then be able to implement the "green" technologies as cost won't be a factor and slowly but surely things will change towards a more sustainable path. We will never get anywhere near where we need to be were $$$ is the driver. Remove money, everyone just does the same job that they do at the moment and then go from there. the only thing that has changed is that you don't have to pay for things any more. It's not as much of a radical change as we think.

[Brian d marge]

been a surprising day this end
my local council here near Tokyo's, have a system where if you "manage" some land , they give it to you , you look after it as they suggest, then they guarantee you a volume of vegetables or other foods at a reduced price.
I'm going to look into this .....
sandals come and get your birkensocks and sandals

stephen

[mashman]

This person says what I want to say and more. I believe it can be done "smoothly".

[avgas]

i never went to other countries and tried to spread my violent and extremist beliefs.

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[avgas]

we'll then be able to implement the "green" technologies as cost won't be a factor and slowly but surely things will change towards a more sustainable path.

Actually money isn't the problem with green tech, never has and never will be. Politics has always been the problem.
Removing money will mean that people will rely more on politics, thus resulting in less green tech. Don't believe me look at green tech in places like Kenya where the currency is worthless.
People don't like to give up power (excuse the pun), when money turns into a vacuum, power over people is all that remains.

While I would like to live in a world right now that doesn't have money, right now money is the only barge pole people have over politics and power struggles. Get rid of these people who seek power over others, and I will happily give up money. Right now its my only defense from having my petrol, power and water supplies cut off, or being kicked out of NZ. I may be a cash cow - but no one shoots the cash cow.
Take away my money and I am only good as a slave.

[SMOKEU]

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File transfer protocol.

[davebullet]

news.yahoo.com/world-lacks-enough-food-fuel-population-soars-un-151012418.html

So what are we going to do about it.

Nothing. Nature will eventually wield our demise with such certainty that there will be nothing we can do about it.

[mashman]

Actually money isn't the problem with green tech, never has and never will be. Politics has always been the problem.
Removing money will mean that people will rely more on politics, thus resulting in less green tech. Don't believe me look at green tech in places like Kenya where the currency is worthless.
People don't like to give up power (excuse the pun), when money turns into a vacuum, power over people is all that remains.

While I would like to live in a world right now that doesn't have money, right now money is the only barge pole people have over politics and power struggles. Get rid of these people who seek power over others, and I will happily give up money. Right now its my only defense from having my petrol, power and water supplies cut off, or being kicked out of NZ. I may be a cash cow - but no one shoots the cash cow.
Take away my money and I am only good as a slave.

Of what politics do you speak? as we're already using green technology. Removing money will make political decisions easier to make and be more effective for the wider community.

[avgas]

Of what politics do you speak? as we're already using green technology. Removing money will make political decisions easier to make and be more effective for the wider community.

Nah we are usually the "political excuse" for green tech. Think of it as tip of the iceberg stuff. There are NZ companies who are selling their greentech stuff to everyone BUT NZ.
Removing money will simply mean that those who will want control over others will have it. The Brian Tamaki's of this world will still be 'wealthy', even without money.

With or without money there have always been Leaders. Some of these leaders do not have reasonable ideals. With money we can buy a defense against these leaders. Without money we simply will have to stay out of their way.
I would like to say that the world no longer has a mass of blind followers. But fact of the matter is democracy has already shown us that not only do they exist, they are the majority.

If you remove money, it won't be the free-thinkers or passive types who take over. That goes directly against their nature. Since the rich won't exist it only leaves 1 type of people to grab as much control as they can - the possessive, the greedy, the aggressive. They will claim as much resources (people included) as they can. Just remember a king is not king by how much gold he holds, but how much fear he produces.

Note that I say this against every bone in my body.
The bones in my body want money removed, want blood in the streets. The bones in my body are pure anarchist. For no other reason except the fact that this is the only way us humans seem to learn lessons.

[Brian d marge]

Nah we are usually the "political excuse" for green tech. Think of it as tip of the iceberg stuff. There are NZ companies who are selling their greentech stuff to everyone BUT NZ.
Removing money will simply mean that those who will want control over others will have it. The Brian Tamaki's of this world will still be 'wealthy', even without money.

With or without money there have always been Leaders. Some of these leaders do not have reasonable ideals. With money we can buy a defense against these leaders. Without money we simply will have to stay out of their way.
I would like to say that the world no longer has a mass of blind followers. But fact of the matter is democracy has already shown us that not only do they exist, they are the majority.

If you remove money, it won't be the free-thinkers or passive types who take over. That goes directly against their nature. Since the rich won't exist it only leaves 1 type of people to grab as much control as they can - the possessive, the greedy, the aggressive. They will claim as much resources (people included) as they can. Just remember a king is not king by how much gold he holds, but how much fear he produces.

Note that I say this against every bone in my body.
The bones in my body want money removed, want blood in the streets. The bones in my body are pure anarchist. For no other reason except the fact that this is the only way us humans seem to learn lessons.

Ghandi did alright

Stephen