MOTO-NZ finally come up with something for all our money

[NONONO]

Cooool,
We're up boys. Where and when. To work out how?
Shall we start with a pint?

[StoneY]

Well you know..... last time I was determined to do it like civilised, well behaved citizens do.
Suggestions...realistic and achievable

Do not foget that a LOT of people attended BIKOI because it was legally organised, and we still have to keep Joe Public from wanting to lynch us (trust me Truckies are still looked at sideways in Wellington CBD while Bikers get a friendly nod and a 'I remember that day' grin from the Wellingtonians who were here that day....)

Hard act to follow, and do we still have the wherewithall to get the numbers?
Need the facts to rark the masses up first so I suggest:
OIA's to expose the wastage of Coro Loop
Opion polls to get feedback on MOTO's delivery and performance to date
Letters to the new ACC minister from organisations (not individuals) requesting a revamp of the current council structure for lack of delivery

Once these have been done, use the results to get movement and support on the ground, and its BIKOI time!

[Hitcher]

Shall we start with a pint?

The Beer Snobs(TM) amongst us could be up for that.

[Ixion]

OIA requests: they are definitely OIAable. I was told personally by Mr Smith that bikers could submit OIA requests if they wanted to know what was being done with their money.

BRONZ Auckland (well, me, but on BA letterhead) submitted an OIA request in October 2011 asking for a reconciliation of the levy account

We got an answer eventually but the request obviously rattled them . I got a phone call from Phil Wright frantically fishing to find out why we wanted the information, and then the reply had to be personally signed off by the Minister, under a clause usually used for state secrets and such like.

We weren't actually all that interested in the numbers , we just wanted to put them on notice that we were still on their case. Which seems to have worked.

The figures given were :

Levy revenue as at 30 Sep 2011 : $2.554million (total from 1July 2010)
Balaince of account as at ditto. : $2.480million

Expenditure : $74643, on two projects , Green Line and Coro Loop.

In addition the account stands in credit for accrued interest of $95780 as at ditto date.

Note that MotoNZ is technically a Ministerial advisory group, and although the group itself is not OIAable , the Minister is and is accountable for his advisors.

But the levy itself is administered by ACC who are also OIAable.

So for information about what MotoNZ, OIA. The Minister. For information about the levy ,OIA ACC.

I did warn you, Mr Stoney, that it was a poisoned chalice and you would have to dance to the Minister's tune.

Rocking the boat in such cases achieves nothing except getting one thrown overboard. There are only two options : be all meek and submissive, whilst passing information out through secret, secure and deniable channels. Or, wait until something contentious arises and then very publicly upset the boat, preferably after nabbing the only lifejacket.

Incidentally, ACC told NZTA that the Coro loop project was a resounding success.

[GrayWolf]

The Beer Snobs(TM) amongst us could be up for that.

There's a really great bar in Blenheim,,, serves all local brews (boutique batches) and UK beers only....... in Redwood suburb, called the bank!!

[NONONO]

That's a fair old amount of change being held by MOTO-NZ for our own benefit eh?
Do we own the options regarding how it's spent, or do we have to wait for the Hi Viz discount?

[StoneY]

I did warn you, Mr Stoney, that it was a poisoned chalice and you would have to dance to the Minister's tune.

That you did Mr Ixion, and hence I removed any chance of staining the organisations name due to my temperament.

Incidentally, ACC told NZTA that the Coro loop project was a resounding success.

Salutations for the forethought in regards the OIA requests.
Nice work!

[MSTRS:Me]

Shall we start with a pint?

Worked in Munich, 1920s...
(Godwin nearly avoided)

[avgas]

That's a fair old amount of change being held by MOTO-NZ for our own benefit eh?
Do we own the options regarding how it's spent, or do we have to wait for the Hi Viz discount?

With that kind of money I could setup an organisation and give everyone in NZ a hi-viz for free.
About $0.90 unit from China when you buy a million of them

[Bassmatt]

With that kind of money I could setup an organisation and give everyone in NZ a hi-viz for free.
About $0.90 unit from China when you buy a million of them

Dont even go there!

[Katman]

MOTO NZ simply started to look for the holes in Charleys data and the comments made on the day reflected that no one took on board he was refferencing Bike VS Other vehicles stats ONLY.

Addressing "Bike VS Other vehicle stats ONLY" is rather pointless though considering they only make up little more than half the total motorcycle accidents.

[Katman]

Spend my money on something relevant David, or all of you should just fuck off and give the money back to the bikers that paid it

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

[MSTRS:Me]

Addressing "Bike VS Other vehicle stats ONLY" is rather pointless though considering they only make up little more than half the total motorcycle accidents.

Perhaps Charley was asked to just address that issue? With the secrecy that lot conduct themselves we'll never know.
Besides, 58 or 62% of all m/c crashes (depending on who's figures you use) is significant enough that it should be addressed separately.

[Katman]

Besides, 58 or 62% of all m/c crashes (depending on who's figures you use) is significant enough that it should be addressed separately.

Only as a means of addressing ways to reduce accidents that fall into that category.

When addressing the issue of cost to the country from motorcycle accidents all such accidents need to be taken into account.

Anyone who ignores 40% of the statistics in question risks looking rather stupid.

[MSTRS:Me]

Only as a means of addressing ways to reduce accidents that fall into that category.

Yep. And same for car vs bike. Some causes cross over between the 2 types, but there are enough differences to require separate targetting.
Like I said, we don't know the terms under which Charley made the address...