Are open face helmets more dangerous?

[Flip]

I am also a fan of open face helms. I do own a nice Shoei flip lid, but don't wear it very often.

I do find it difficult to find a lid that is big enough at the best of times and I do not enjoy the closed in feeling I get in a full face.

[Flip]

Jews and fags lol.

But you ride a Jap bike! So what are you a hypercrit or just full of BS?

[bittertwistedcute]

You seem to be quite a biggoted young man Smokeu. Dont like Cops, Blacks, Asians or Harley riders, is there anybody else you hate?

Anyone with a bigger cock apparently, so that includes the girls as well

[nathanwhite]

however, back in the day when full face helmets were becoming popular, there was a big debate around the question, do full face helmets cause more spinal injuries. I never recall having heard a definitive conclusion, and FF helmets have eveoled heaps since then, however if there is more risk of a spinal injury from a full face helmet then Normandy's question may have some basis.....

Which is worse...a severely gravel rashed face, nose ground to a stump, blinded or...a broken neck?

A thought that has been rattling around in my head for a while now is if a full face protects the head rather well, but not the head-body connection, why not wear a neck brace also?

Granted it doesn't quite fit in the sport biker image, but the amount of dirt bike crashes i've seen (on youtube admittedly) that didn't result in a fatality because of a neck brace is quite high.

Thoughts?

[davereid]

And the argument about being able to resucitate you without removing your helmet is a stupid one, if anyone who knows first aid comes to your rescue, part of their training includes dealing with bikers. If they dont know how to remove your helmut safely, chances are they dont really know how to save your life either.

What if the first responder is not a trained first aider ?

You cant assume that everyone is able to make the right decision.

Im sure everyone in my local surf club could give me great CPR. I'm not so sure they could remove my helmet safely.

[BoristheBiter]

What if the first responder is not a trained first aider ?

You cant assume that everyone is able to make the right decision.

Im sure everyone in my local surf club could give me great CPR. I'm not so sure they could remove my helmet safely.

So the choice is death or the possibility of paralysis.
I think I know what I will choose.

In all the training I have had in the first aid area the helmet is only removed once the patient is either stable and ready for transport or needs CPR and more than likly you will find if some one has no training then they just stand back. Its the one's that have had a days theory and have a first aid cert that concern me.

Mind you there is only around a 30% survival rate for patients that need it.

[rickstv]

The last first aid course I attended, the St John guy said that you no longer need to remove the helmet to do CPR.

Chest compressions are all that is required.

Rick.

[BoristheBiter]

The last first aid course I attended, the St John guy said that you no longer need to remove the helmet to do CPR.

Chest compressions are all that is required.

Rick.

yes that true but most times breath stops as well.

[rickstv]

yes that true but most times breath stops as well.

He didn't seem concerned about the breathing bit. he said that chest compressions also compress the lungs too allowing passage of air. Not sure I would trust it myself. Every time I do a first aid course they tell me something different.

[BoristheBiter]

He didn't seem concerned about the breathing bit. he said that chest compressions also compress the lungs too allowing passage of air. Not sure I would trust it myself. Every time I do a first aid course they tell me something different.

They have to tell you something other than "you can try and save somebody this way but it generally doesn't work".

[steve_t]

He didn't seem concerned about the breathing bit. he said that chest compressions also compress the lungs too allowing passage of air. Not sure I would trust it myself. Every time I do a first aid course they tell me something different.

Yep. 30:2 and breaths are low priority these days. Obviously better if you can do it but not as critical as once taught.
CPR will never restart a heart anyway. You're just trying to keep the brain going with some oxygenated blood til a defibrillator can get there.

[rickstv]

Yep. 30:2 and breaths are low priority these days. Obviously better if you can do it but not as critical as once taught.
CPR will never restart a heart anyway. You're just trying to keep the brain going with some oxygenated blood til a defibrillator can get there.

We were told that there was a lot of reluctance for people to get involved if the victims face was damaged with blood or vomit everywhere so doing just compressions is better than standing with your hands in your pockets waiting for someone else to jump in.

[FJRider]

Anything you try to do in those cases ... is better than doing nothing. In the arse-end of nowheresville ... any other help is usually a long way off.

[LBD]

A thought that has been rattling around in my head for a while now is if a full face protects the head rather well, but not the head-body connection, why not wear a neck brace also? Thoughts?

Yes the same though has been rattling around in my head as well...it especially came to the fore with my daughter into dirt bike riding...

[SMOKEU]

But you ride a Jap bike! So what are you a hypercrit or just full of BS?

It just happens that the Japanese make the best bikes for the money. They do something that the Europeans and Americans haven't been able to do. Make a cheap, reliable bike with excellent acceleration and handling.