Couldn't have said it better myself.Originally Posted by GrayWolf
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
Fully qualified Sifter.
I'll buy a ringside seat for that.
Come warm yourself by the fire
LTSA and ACC have.
If they tax them off the road, there will be less motorcyclists and thus less motorcycle accidents.
Banning motorcycles from the roads will remove 99.9% of motorcycle accidents from the roads.
While improved riding skills MAY decrease these stats, it is not fact.
What I have stated is.
We have to stop treating the NZ govt like some caring parent ("PLEASE MUMMY! I promise not to crash anymore - please let me keep riding") to a stance where we have abusive parents who are not giving us any rights.
They have screwed us more than we have screwed ourselves. Even if we were the pinacle of society, motorcyclists would have still recieved the shit we have, for two simple reasons; we are small and we are easy.
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That's like saying "I know this avoidable crash is going to hurt me but I'm going to have it anyway - just to teach you a lesson".
Come warm yourself by the fire
The alternative is finding out if the straight jacket fits and doing exactly what they tell us to do. If that is the case for all future development - I expect all bikes to become museum pieces in my lifetime.
Fact of the matter is motorbikes are not safe, just like many things that have already been banned.
First they tax it down, then they ban it off.
For no other reason other than it COULD be bad for you. Regardless of who you are, and what you do.
This includes banning riders who have never crashed in their lives. Banning the best riders in the country. A BAN.
Party Pills, Hooch, Massive BullBars, Sky Rockets................................. were harmless to 90% of society, and they got banned for far less that what motorbikes do.
Only a fool would think that the govt will only target "Bad Riders". The Govt carpet bombs a problems.
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I've been saying similar for a loooong time.
Last of a dying breed
So we then have two options:
1. Find a way to become carpet bomb proof
2. Stop carpet bombing
Hmmm... How about a "gold card" biker? Someone who had proved to the gummint that he/she was a safe rider, someone that could be trusted to 100%... (OK, so the license is supposed to do that. But clearly does not.)
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I'll bite Con. If the issuing of such a card was made to be able to stand up to exquisite scrutiny it may well have some merit. I can however foresee some problems.
For instance, as per all previous govt's, this one simply wants to remove motorcycles from "their" roads.A stated UN aim for all countries from way back!
In order for that to happen they see no problem with developing a campaign that smears all bikers as mad speed crazed freaks who cost the ordinary drivers , um other road users, many thousands of dollars in ACC when they or their other accident participants are rehabilitated.
I'm all for a recognised licencing structure that says, this person is qualified to ride/drive at an advance level.
Problem, who else would be comfortable with it? The Govt?, certainly not.
While it will take longer, KM's method of each and every motorcyclist taking RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions and making conscious decisions NOT TO BE total dickheads when riding on public roads would quite simply result in less accidents, less money required to rehab anyone and overall improve "our chances" of arriving home in one piece each and every day.
Did I say, don't go hard? did I say don't ride to conditions? has KM? . No, all the message is , is look out for your own skin and don't do dumb shit, how hard is it to understand?
I can see it'll work, yes it'll take time, but it would be irrefutable proof that motorcyclists are willing to bring about change themselves and not wait for fools who ride, to cause them to loose whatever privilage they still have.
Many here have in the last couple of years come to see that if given a go it would work.
Seems that this thread might still get somewhere, come on you lot, ideas kick em around try something, anything is better than waiting till we have our bikes forcibly removed from us because a few rode like cocks.
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Last of a dying breed
Was I serious re the "Biker Gold Card"(BGC) ? Not really. I realise the huge problems to make it work. And there would have to be only one who had a BGC and got drunk and crashed, and the card would mean nothing.
But perhaps... If the BGC was given out to the ones who:
1. Have had NO accidents that was even in a small part his/her fault.
2. Would yearly get rider training.
3. Had no speeding or other fines inside a set period
4. Had 0 demerit points.
As soon as you fucked up you loose the card. And it becomes even harder to get it.
Only ones with BGC would be allowed to ride bigger bikes, use main highways, have lower rego etc.
Am I for this? No. But perhaps worth a thought if we run out of road...
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For all the anti bike legislation and fervour, there remains some irrefutable facts.....
As more cars hit the road, congestion increases, which will lead to alternatives being required, whether public transport or some form of motorised 2 wheels.
More importantly, ALL vehicles will be restricted in the not too distant future, the oil resources are finite, and I believe quotes of 20-30yrs before the current supplies are done at the current rate of consumption, not allowing for the above mentioned increases.
those two factors will lead all vehicle manufacturers to head to fuel efficency over performance. Costs for production will increase as sales drop for cars... WE may just see the motorcycle become the 'alternative' it was in the 1950/1960's as a main form of transport.
i may not be alive to see this, but many here will be my age now, when the brutal reality could strike home worldwide.
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
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I assume this guy would lose his Gold Card, as well as his job?
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More government approved stats reports from our saviours at motonz
Their interwebs won't let me submit my response, so I shall just leave it here.
Just a question, why do the reports focus so heavily on adjusted risk per km travelled, when ACC is paid per vehicle, not per km?
And getting back to your response from the last debate. In one paragraph you say ACC adjusting levies for different vehicle type to reflect the risk is fine, then the next you say adjusting levies for rider gear or accident history goes against the no fault policy. Both of them are simply risk 'assessed' levy pricing. Your current attitude of towing the governments 'bill the bikers' line, will eventually lead to that sort of insurance scheme, is that what you want? (or the more important question you should ask, is that what bikers want!)
Finally, the site banner still reads 'our money, our priorities' Is that just hot air? or are you eventually going to actually do something to help bikers out? The money I've paid so far could have bought me a bloody nice pair of gloves, much more of a priority for me than the nothing you guys have delivered.
At the very least, could you sort out multiple vehicle ownership, if you insist on helping the government charge me for my 'true' risk, can you at least make sure I only pay once, paying three times is a bit tedious.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
In the riders seat
we were hearing that 20-30 years ago
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
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Got the flyer with my rego reminder last week. I thought it should read "Your money, our priorities." Would add a few more critical comments but I chucked it straight out.
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Pfft, even thats a bit generous, there doesn't seem to be any priorities. "Your money, ours now!" is a better slogan I think.
At least the debate section is back up now.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
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