MotoGP 2012

[Tony.OK]

From here: http://www.visordown.com/features/fi...kes/20811.html
Moto2 is 140 and WSS600 is 145.

And Moto2 is 26kg lighter

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just watched the Moto 2 race and was surpised to hear that the 600's quali times at Spain are faster than the fastest ever lap at Catalunya on 500GP bikes, that record held by Rossi.
Goes to show how fast these little bikes are now going, and they're a few HP down on WSS bikes too.

Not according to the official MotoGP site they're not. 1'46.187 in qual for Moto2, 1'45.507 for Rossi in 2001 Qual. Still a good effort I must say. Mind you...in 2007 Lorenzo did a 1'45.098 on his 250.

So Oscar...I stand by my comments.

[Tony.OK]

Not according to the official MotoGP site they're not. 1'46.187 in qual for Moto2, 1'45.507 for Rossi in 2001 Qual. Still a good effort I must say. Mind you...in 2007 Lorenzo did a 1'45.098 on his 250.

So Oscar...I stand by my comments.

They said race lap times for 500's as they had Quali tyres back then did they not?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just watched the Moto 2 race and was surpised to hear that the 600's quali times at Spain are faster than the fastest ever lap at Catalunya on 500GP bikes, .

They said race lap times for 500's as they had Quali tyres back then did they not?

No...you said the fastest ever lap by a 500.

But regardless...a 250 has still gone a fair bit quicker, and I don't know if Dunlop had Q's?

[Tony.OK]

No...you said the fastest ever lap by a 500.

But regardless...a 250 has still gone a fair bit quicker, and I don't know if Dunlop had Q's?

Oops my bad, they do say it in the clip I posted though.

Now what I'd like to see is a 500 with a full electronics package of wheelie and traction control and modern tyres have another go at that laptime

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oops my bad, they do say it in the clip I posted though.

Now what I'd like to see is a 500 with a full electronics package of wheelie and traction control and modern tyres have another go at that laptime

All good!

Nah...I'd rather see one with direct fuel injection and modern tyres/suspension have a go. Fuck the wheelie/traction control!

[nudemetalz]

All good!

Nah...I'd rather see one with direct fuel injection and modern tyres/suspension have a go. Fuck the wheelie/traction control!

I reckon 250-260hp would be possible,....hmmm,..no wheelie control with 130kg....

[george formby]

I reckon 250-260hp would be possible,....hmmm,..no wheelie control with 130kg....

Look at the Suter thread 129kg, 200hp +, V4 2t. Yours for the asking.

[nudemetalz]

Look at the Suter thread 129kg, 200hp +, V4 2t. Yours for the asking.

Oh yes, already seen that

Wonder how difficult it would be to road-legal one...

[george formby]

Oh yes, already seen that

Wonder how difficult it would be to road-legal one...

It's not on the LAMS restricted list.....

[tigertim20]

If he does win it this year it'll sum things up pretty fairly I reckon. Since 2006, two titles each to Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo. Three legends of the sport.

a good way of looking at it. being such a decent lead so early, Id be surprised if stoner really bothered to try to win the title again, unless jorge has a DNF - no point in risking injury for such a slight chance when you're leaving anyway, right?

Good race some intense passing there for a while

Spies seems to be getting it back at least he's in front for a few laps now? better than the first few races.

Yeh ythat was a good ride last to sixth, home crowd, he might be puting himself up for a factory ride at this rate?

From the comments after they simply cant get the Honda to like the new tyres.
Where they seem to suit Lorenzo?

last to 6th makes a hell of a case for a factory bike doesnt it? if he can repeat a similar performance he might just get it.

as for tyres, I question the riding style, stoner likes to wring it, make it slide around etc, thats got to fuck your tyres faster, lorenzo has long been hailed as one of, if not THE smoothest rider out there - he is able to conserve his tyres and make them good at the end as well as at the start.
Didnt stoner use different tyres than almost all the other front runners though? thought that was a tad odd

[McWild]

as for tyres, I question the riding style, stoner likes to wring it, make it slide around etc, thats got to fuck your tyres faster, lorenzo has long been hailed as one of, if not THE smoothest rider out there - he is able to conserve his tyres and make them good at the end as well as at the start.
Didnt stoner use different tyres than almost all the other front runners though? thought that was a tad odd

Makes you wonder what sort of tyre damage Lorenzo would achieve on the Honda huh? I wonder, if he had a season with the Honda would he still succeed with his smoothness or would he have to adapt?

[slowpoke]

a good way of looking at it. being such a decent lead so early, Id be surprised if stoner really bothered to try to win the title again, unless jorge has a DNF - no point in risking injury for such a slight chance when you're leaving anyway, right?


last to 6th makes a hell of a case for a factory bike doesnt it? if he can repeat a similar performance he might just get it.

as for tyres, I question the riding style, stoner likes to wring it, make it slide around etc, thats got to fuck your tyres faster, lorenzo has long been hailed as one of, if not THE smoothest rider out there - he is able to conserve his tyres and make them good at the end as well as at the start.
Didnt stoner use different tyres than almost all the other front runners though? thought that was a tad odd

You're kiddin' aintcha? We're only a 3rd of the way through the season so while 25 points is a nice buffer it's nothing like insurmountable. Stoner is a gritty lil' bugger who will give it 100% right up until the last race.

As for Crutchlow, he's been a revelation this year because he didn't do a helluva lot last year. Likewise, we're only a 3rd of the way through the season, so it's early days as far as I'm concerned. 6th is a good result but realistically he beat a swag of CRT bikes, some wayward Ducati's and a young rookie on a satellite Honda at what was his home track. The impressive part was doing it with an injury not the actual result. Speaking of Ducati , I'd like to see him go there after hearing him say how good he'd be on it I'd like for him to find out first hand what a heap of shit it is. (How Preziosi keeps his job is beyond me). Haha, can you tell I'm not a Crutchlow fan?! (still rather him than Smith though)

I'm a bit confused about the tyre wear thing. Back when McCoy was drawing rubber lines around every track they said the same thing: you'll chew the tyres blah blah. But then everyone found that spinning the tyre deformed it less than loading it up , and it was loading (flexing) the tyre which overheated the whole carcass rather than just the surface (spinning). Lorenzo is the guy who massively loads the tyres and keeps 'em on the limit of adhesion, whereas Stoner is more likely to spin it up. I reckon it's a massive over simplification to simply point the finger at riding style with soooo many variables with TC strategies, suspension setup, power delivery, weight distribution etc.

[carbonhed]

Speaking of Ducati , I'd like to see him go there after hearing him say how good he'd be on it I'd like for him to find out first hand what a heap of shit it is. (How Preziosi keeps his job is beyond me). Haha, can you tell I'm not a Crutchlow fan?! (still rather him than Smith though)

He didn't say anything even remotely like "how good he'd be on it". What he did say is that there were similarities between his and Stoners style that might mean he could ride it successfully.

[tigertim20]

Makes you wonder what sort of tyre damage Lorenzo would achieve on the Honda huh? I wonder, if he had a season with the Honda would he still succeed with his smoothness or would he have to adapt?

I guess we will have to wait at least 2 and a half more years for an opportunity to find out!

You're kiddin' aintcha? We're only a 3rd of the way through the season so while 25 points is a nice buffer it's nothing like insurmountable. Stoner is a gritty lil' bugger who will give it 100% right up until the last race.



I'm a bit confused about the tyre wear thing. Back when McCoy was drawing rubber lines around every track they said the same thing: you'll chew the tyres blah blah. But then everyone found that spinning the tyre deformed it less than loading it up , and it was loading (flexing) the tyre which overheated the whole carcass rather than just the surface (spinning). Lorenzo is the guy who massively loads the tyres and keeps 'em on the limit of adhesion, whereas Stoner is more likely to spin it up. I reckon it's a massive over simplification to simply point the finger at riding style with soooo many variables with TC strategies, suspension setup, power delivery, weight distribution etc.

for the first point, nah, Im not kidding - Lorenzo could have a DNF and in the scheme of things it wouldnt matter - it is quite possible for him to DNF at the next round and still lead the championship. Stoner has made the decision to leave it all behind him, and be with his family or whatever, the certainty of that decision must play some part in his psyche for the rest of the season - I dont think he will push like last year unless Jorge fucks up badly enough that it isnt a great risk - if it turns out differently, then I will eat my words - but with Stoner having made that decision, I think it wioll affect his mind, and his riding much differently than if he was staying for another two years - Lorenzo on the other hand just said Im staying HERE for 2 more years minimum - he is eager to push, and show he is the right choice for yamaha, stoner no longer has to care.

as for tyre wear, Id say that a) tyres have come a long way since then, and B) the tyre life is probably a combination of how the team sets up the TC to work WITH the riders style - but again, stoner chose dfferent tyres at last weekends race than all the other frontrunners, so that has to confuse things a little