MotoGP 2012

**Maido** · 28th June 2012, 08:43

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Thanks, interesting article and the comments are almost as interesting. One of the best was pointing out that for all the talking about the electronics flowing onto street bikes Honda don't even run TC on their flagship sportsbike. Yet they run ABS which is banned in MotoGP. Obvious, but I'd never twigged to it. A spec ECU is so the way to go.

Its not just the TC that count as electrics. Its the actual format of the ECU themselves that runs into the production bikes ie the software inside is usually developed on track then a softer form is passed to the proddy bikes. Lessons learned from the way they fuel and spark race bikes are definitely passed on to road bikes. I imagine that as MotoGP have to run small fuel loads they have very precise control over fueling controls surely this has benefits on the road?
If there was a spec ecu with racing back in the early 2000's we probably wouldn't have seen the introduction of dual injector rails, secondary butterflies and other great but not highly reported ideas on road bikes.

**Fast Eddie** · 28th June 2012, 10:28

or we could all be riding on mental 500cc 2 strokes with 200hp..

that would also be nice..

but I guess dual rail fuel injection and secondary butterflies also sounds cool...

**Mental Trousers** · 28th June 2012, 12:41

Originally Posted by Maido

Its not just the TC that count as electrics. Its the actual format of the ECU themselves that runs into the production bikes ie the software inside is usually developed on track then a softer form is passed to the proddy bikes. Lessons learned from the way they fuel and spark race bikes are definitely passed on to road bikes. I imagine that as MotoGP have to run small fuel loads they have very precise control over fueling controls surely this has benefits on the road?
If there was a spec ecu with racing back in the early 2000's we probably wouldn't have seen the introduction of dual injector rails, secondary butterflies and other great but not highly reported ideas on road bikes.

Exactly.

I'm all for banning things like accelerometers, gyroscopes, GPS etc. But I never like the idea of a spec ECU simply because it leaves no room for the teams to experiment. The software is where MotoGP contributes the most to road vehicles.

**merv** · 28th June 2012, 12:47

If they want to dumb it down why not bring back carburettors and ignition points?

**Mental Trousers** · 28th June 2012, 12:50

That a very non-Green option

**Oscar** · 29th June 2012, 10:18

A Suzuki at Misano?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/...uydernotes.htm

**pritch** · 29th June 2012, 11:54

Without comment:

**cmoore** · 29th June 2012, 18:28

Prototypes......thats what is is all about and always has been...riders and teams have always tried anything they think will make the bike go faster or stop faster or go around corners faster or take off faster.....or lighter...or stickier......anything....and I for one love it......i think if you try to take that away it ruins the whole idea....limit motor size....ok....limit vision or experimentation...nah.....blah blah....go spies.....might be his weekend again....anything he can do to get points away from stoner or pedrosa would be good..

**Crasherfromwayback** · 29th June 2012, 19:44

Originally Posted by cmoore

Prototypes......thats what is is all about and always has been...riders and teams have always tried anything they think will make the bike go faster or stop faster or go around corners faster or take off faster.....or lighter...or stickier......anything....and I for one love it......i think if you try to take that away it ruins the whole idea....limit motor size....ok....limit vision or experimentation...nah.....blah blah....go spies.....might be his weekend again)

I agree with all of this!

**slowpoke** · 29th June 2012, 23:43

Originally Posted by cmoore

Prototypes......thats what is is all about and always has been...riders and teams have always tried anything they think will make the bike go faster or stop faster or go around corners faster or take off faster.....or lighter...or stickier......anything....and I for one love it......i think if you try to take that away it ruins the whole idea....limit motor size....ok....limit vision or experimentation...nah.....blah blah....go spies.....might be his weekend again....anything he can do to get points away from stoner or pedrosa would be good..

I think if you read through the rules you'd be suprised just how many restrictions already exist, and not just stuff introduced recently. Basic example? I always thought Erik (see what I did there Dave?) Buell's rim brake concept was crap, proven by the lack of use in MotoGP (and my old pushbike). Turns out nobody used it because max rotor size is limited to 320mm.....and because it's crap.

Protoypes, always has been? Back in the day you could virtually go to your local Yamaha dealer and order a TZ750, they were made in such numbers. So more production bike than protype. Same goes for plenty of other Grand Prix machines.

As for the "idea" that's different for just about all of us. Your "idea" puts the emphasis on the manufacturers and machines, whereas my "idea" puts more emphasis on the riders and the display of their talent. I want to see riders controlling wheelies, and feathering the gas with the back wheel a foot out of line....not some software program I can't even see. Pity we're both being short changed at the moment.

Bang on with Spies though, "GO SON!"