MotoGP 2012

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 18:47

Originally Posted by denill

We will never, ever know - but would Stoner have continued to notch up wins on what ever Ducati put under him?

I think he would have..................

No way. As good as he was on it...he was winning less and less each year on the pig. Plus sooner or later he would've either got hurt throwing it down the road trying...or got sick of doing so.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 18:50

Originally Posted by Drew

Was well publicised, with pictures of the very obvious fresh welds on the swingarm. Jimmy is good with shit like that, he will likely remember the source of the article.

You fancy trying to cut two inches out of this at a track and put it all back together nice mate?

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**Drew** · 13th August 2012, 18:50

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Have you seen the shape of the swingarms dude? You can't simply cut two inches out of them...the bits won't match up. And to be precise the thing would have to be in a jig etc. They don't tend to do much in the way of fabrication at the track now days. Think you'll find they lifted the engine in the frame a tad, and actually made the swing arm longer. They hooked it up between two other bikes and stretched it there and then.

Or....not.

I have seen the swing arm. There are two extruded beams, with a billet chunk welded to each where the axle goes through. The billet chunk is kind of L shaped, and can be moved up the beam quite simply by scribing the same shape in.

I'm not making this shit up you crusty old prick, so you can stop being quite so condescending. Jimmy was the one who pointed the article out to me, pester him for the details.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 18:53

Originally Posted by Drew

I have seen the swing arm. There are two extruded beams, with a billet chunk welded to each where the axle goes through. The billet chunk is kind of L shaped, and can be moved up the beam quite simply by scribing the same shape in.

I'm not making this shit up you crusty old prick, so you can stop being quite so condescending. Jimmy was the one who pointed the article out to me, pester him for the details.

Sounds like a quick/cheap way to do it. But I bet it wasn't done at the track is all!

Nothing condescending about telling someone you think they're talking plop!

**Drew** · 13th August 2012, 19:01

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Sounds like a quick/cheap way to do it. But I bet it wasn't done at the track is all!

I have mucho simplified it. Might have happened at an engineering workshop away from teh track, I might be overstating when I say there and then.

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Nothing condescending about telling someone you think they're talking plop!

And you can go eat said plop.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 19:12

Originally Posted by Drew

I have mucho simplified it. Might have happened at an engineering workshop away from teh track, I might be overstating when I say there and then.

And you can go eat said plop.

The back of Dukies truck!

Pussy yes. Poopy no.

**Shaun** · 13th August 2012, 21:29

Originally Posted by gsxr&crf450

Agostini was a great rider for sure, however there were only a handfull of Factory bikes with maybe Phil Reed and a few others on competitive bikes. If you look back through the old books and history you will see the evidence. The modern riders have incredible odds to compete with. Agostini had it comparitively easy.

100% agreed

**Reckless** · 13th August 2012, 22:55

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

No way. As good as he was on it...he was winning less and less each year on the pig. Plus sooner or later he would've either got hurt throwing it down the road trying...or got sick of doing so.

In the end Stoner and Rossi gave up on the Ducati for the same reason. Ducati Management

Lets see if Audi can make a difference??

Rossi's decision was that even if Audi does?? it probably wont happen over one season and he ain't got that much time left.
2 years on one of the best bikes in Moto GP and then 2 years on one of the best bikes in SBK seems like a fitting end to his career if the rumors are true.
If he still has the goods he has a better chance of a bonus year or so in Moto Gp even if its just so Yamaha keep him from riding for the opposition.
But time will tell next season will show if he should have retired or not??

He's gotta love what he does to turn down the sort of money Ducati where offering.
You can't fault the man for his continuing passion for the sport and desire to win.

I really loved Stoners style!! But IMHO over the entire length (now Stoner has gone) of their careers there is still only one true champion of the modern era. Rossi was winning before he came along and hopefully he can win again in the twilight of his time. If I sound like a Rossi fan I am! but I'm a Stoner fan as well.

Didnt I say in an earlier post time will tell?? Well Stoner has written himself out after a few chapters but the Rossi story still ain't finished yet.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 23:20

Originally Posted by Reckless

I really loved Stoners style!! But IMHO over the entire length (now Stoner has gone) of their careers there is still only one true champion of the modern era. .

Jesus Christ mate. Rossi's jizz has blinded your eyes. Stoner has beaten Rossi more that Rossi has him. How difficult is that to grasp?

**tail_end_charlie** · 14th August 2012, 09:26

Originally Posted by merv

I think if you check you will find Ducati introduced the CF frame in 2009 and Stoner won the 2007 title on the trellis frame bike.

Yep, right you are, teach me to post facts without checking'em first. I knew they had switched something to CF, but it was just the rear subframe. In 2009 they went to the CF front frame/headstock, load bearing engine, and CF swingarm.