Christchurch crash facts

[merv]

p.s. the Yanks have these sorts of thing everywhere at parking lots and the like - fit a few sets coming up to the intersection on Townsend so you can't drive the wrong way in that lane - that'll teach the fuckers.

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[warewolf]

Thought provoking though. Rigid enforcement of every law, is it really a good ideal? I think not.

All laws are equal, but some laws are more equal than others. (Apologies to Orwell, G.)

That's obviously been the case for a good long time. Compare and contrast the effect of heavy enforcement of the speed limits in bringing down the average speeds, versus the lackadaisical enforcement of all the other laws and the continued appalling driving within the speed limit.

[Ocean1]

... but Ocean1 its like Mrs merv always says to me when we see the ones that can't seem to steer within the lines - she says they can't have been any good at colouring in when they were a kid.

Yeah. And you can ping the fuck out of them, and it'll make not a jot of difference.

Change the shape of the environment, though, and you can get consistently better results. If you THEN ping the fuck outa the recidivists delinquent offenders you get better results again. Traffic engimineers orta know all that shit.


Banging on about human behavioural intransigence might make us perfect drivers/riders feel good, but it don’t produce results.

[rastuscat]

Banging on about human behavioural intransigence might make us perfect drivers/riders feel good, but it don’t produce results.

Yeah, wot 'e sed.

I fink so enny way.

[merv]

So you are telling me that no matter what they won't learn. The only answer then is computer controlled cars that they aren't allowed to touch the controls on (plan 'B'), else back to my plan 'A' put things on the road they have to drive around or else they have serious consequences on the pocket e.g. burst tyres.

Back in the day a kid learnt not to touch the stove by touching it and getting burnt - just so slightly, but the lesson was learnt. Nowadays perhaps we are so PC people don't learn the physical skills they need.

No matter how good the road engineering is if they can't stay driving between the lines we've go a problem if we don't apply either plan 'A' or plan 'B'.

[Ocean1]

So you are telling me that no matter what they won't learn.

Yep. Actually, they're not looking for anyone elses opinion in the matter whatsoever. Their driving behaviour is genuinely heavily influenced by the shape of their surroundings, what we think about that isn't even on their list of shit to bother about that day. Or any other day.

The only answer then is computer controlled cars that they aren't allowed to touch the controls on (plan 'B'), else back to my plan 'A' put things on the road they have to drive around or else they have serious consequences on the pocket e.g. burst tyres.

Oh it's some form of plan A, every time. It's just that, while the required environmental variables are reasonably well understood they're not a part of the lore of any of the parties likely to be approving roading designs.

As usual, the inmates are managing the Asylum.

[Kickaha]

Traffic engimineers orta know all that shit.

Traffic engineers seem to spend all there time working out where to put in new sets of traffic lights and fuck up traffic flows, arseholes

[Scuba_Steve]

Traffic engineers seem to spend all there time working out where to put in new sets of traffic lights and fuck up traffic flows, arseholes

yea I believe the prerequisite to become a traffic engineer is an absence of drivers licence &/ vehicle as well as a lack of logical or intelligent reasoning.

[Ocean1]

Traffic engineers seem to spend all there time working out where to put in new sets of traffic lights and fuck up traffic flows, arseholes

I don't know who's usually at meetings where those decisions are made but it wouldn't come as a huge shock to me to discover that no engineering qualifications formed the final decision. I'd be surprised if any engineering input was even considered in forming a budget.

[caspernz]

So you are telling me that no matter what they won't learn. The only answer then is computer controlled cars that they aren't allowed to touch the controls on (plan 'B'), else back to my plan 'A' put things on the road they have to drive around or else they have serious consequences on the pocket e.g. burst tyres.

Back in the day a kid learnt not to touch the stove by touching it and getting burnt - just so slightly, but the lesson was learnt. Nowadays perhaps we are so PC people don't learn the physical skills they need.

No matter how good the road engineering is if they can't stay driving between the lines we've go a problem if we don't apply either plan 'A' or plan 'B'.

Yep, many noddy devices would improve drivers' skills along the way.

Drive with only park lights on would earn you a flick with a fishing rod on the neck...

Speed up from 75 to 105 just because you've entered a bit of three lane would earn you a busted nose...

Talk on your cellphone and weave all over the road would see that cellphone inserted rectally without the aid of any KY...

Drive drunk once, get two weeks community service picking up rubbish. Drive drunk twice, roadside execution, no exceptions...

Nothing wrong with savage devices to stop noddies becoming ghost drivers, the Germans have used the sharks teeth approach for years. That's a mistake you only make once...

[jim.cox]

Traffic engineers seem to spend all there time working out where to put in new sets of traffic lights and fuck up traffic flows, arseholes

Actually the roading engineers spend time and vast amounts of money building roads that have a safe design speed of 120kmh

Then the Five-Oh can come along and ping drivers using the road as designed

Keeps the Rozzas busy and pays for the road at the same time

[Ocean1]

Actually the roading engineers spend time and vast amounts of money building roads that have a safe design speed of 120kmh

They do. Safe for B-trains and tankers at that speed. For your average 10 year old family car that translates to about 150k.

What they don't do in town is bowl over existing superstructure to make roads that are safe at 50k.

[Katman]

Sorry guys, before you comment on that intersection, drive it,
then you will understand.
The engineer who designed it mast have been on drugs the day he did,
It just does not make sense to any person with logic, why it is how it is.
Agree with Rasta, it would not be really fair on drivers to heavily target that intersection.
Many people have complained about it, but the shinny pants still disregard public pleas,
""Of course our engineer must be right , we pay him big money to design that intersection""

FFS, if a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike by a car driver cutting that corner you'd be screaming blue murder at the "fucking cager".

You sure as fuck wouldn't be saying "Oh well, it's not the car drivers fault it's that crazy roading engineer's"

[FJRider]

FFS, if a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike by a car driver cutting that corner you'd be screaming blue murder at the "fucking cager".

You sure as fuck wouldn't be saying "Oh well, it's not the car drivers fault it's that crazy roading engineer's"

If a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike as they were cutting the corner ... is it the motorcyclist at fault or that crazy roading engineer ... ??? Or the car for not giving way ... ??

[Katman]

If a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike as they were cutting the corner ... is it the motorcyclist at fault or that crazy roading engineer ... ??? Or the car for not giving way ... ??

Sorry if that's supposed to be a trick question but surely the fault lies with the party that can't keep within their own lane.