LAMS question. Does your reg label match your bike model?

[scumdog]

Moot points count too. It highlights one of the inadequacies of the system.

My current bike is shown as silver in the system. The manufacturer calls it champagne. Anyone I ask says its gold. When you register a bike, even the smallest error follows the bike through its life.

My T-Sport is registered as a 2000 model - but it is in fact a 2001 going by VIN etc.

An important difference to those in the know.

(It was imported 2006).

[rastuscat]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

[Kickaha]

Scummie, your views?

Waste of time asking, him he's probably drunk

[nzspokes]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

Bring back the MOT?

[scumdog]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

On the button bro!

The public seem to think, nay EXPECT us to be experts in all things.

I see that a lot in my dealing with them all the timr.

"But you guys should know..."
"Aren't you guys meant to know all about that..."
"Aren't you guys meant to be expert..."

And they are refering to quaint laws, obscure facts, driving/shooting, you name it, we're the experts - or so they expect.

[nzspokes]

On the button bro!

The public seem to think, nay EXPECT us to be experts in all things.

I see that a lot in my dealing with them all the timr.

"But you guys should know..."
"Aren't you guys meant to know all about that..."
"Aren't you guys meant to be expert..."

And they are refering to quaint laws, obscure facts, driving/shooting, you name it, we're the experts - or so they expect.

But if your job is only in one field, would you not be expected to be an expert in it?

[pzkpfw]

But if your job is only in one field, would you not be expected to be an expert in it?

What's "one field"? What's "expert"?

I don't know every programming language.
I don't even know everything about the main language I program in.
I still make a living doing it.

[nzspokes]

What's "one field"? What's "expert"?

I don't know every programming language.
I don't even know everything about the main language I program in.
I still make a living doing it.

Well if you worked in Burglary, would you not expect to be an expert in the law around it?

[JMemonic]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

Please don't take this the wrong way, I think you have raised a point in this statement that does irk me a little and its how in the hell is a police officer supposed to be able to judge the road worthiness of a vehicle at a quick glance? Ok there is the glaringly obvious faults, i.e. riding on the bump stops, bald tyres e.t.c but I have witnessed some really dumb roadside decisions made by officers over minor things that comply with the regulations but they in their wisdom do not believe they do not and issued the vehicle with a defect notice.

A mechanic has to prove their competency and experience to issue WOF's, yet a new officer with little experience can tell at a glance its not roadworthy?

It costs money to go back to a specific testing station and get theses cleared.

I also had a general duties officer in the last week or two inform me he was able to tell the speed of any vehicle by how it sounded, I just cringed.

[pzkpfw]

Well if you worked in Burglary, would you not expect to be an expert in the law around it?

I work in I.T.

I am involved in Burglary.

[tigertim20]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

I went out for a wee ride today, and had to pay a little bit of fun tax. No big deal, only a little over, and I will quite happily pay the ticket.
The cop was a friendly bloke and we had a chat for a few minutes, and he was asking about my bike, seemed like he was into bikes.

I brought up the LAMS thing, and he looked at me blankly. He had never even heard of it. I told him a little about it and said said its a shame they dont give the highway patrol info thats relevant to them. He laughed and said 'Yep, well it certainly wouldnt be the first time theyve done something like that and we have had no idea'.
I gave him the relevant information, and told him he could read about it on the NZTA website, hopefully he checks it out.

My suggestion to anyone taking advantage of the LAMS bikes, would be to print out the info from the official NZTA, or similar website, and carry it in your jacket pocket, and if you come across another officer that hasnt been told, you can politely show them the LAMS stuff, it might save you the hassle of having to write in about a ticket, and help inform the guys trying to do their job. I doubt standing and arguing will help you out, but if you can show them a print out, you should be fine.

[scumdog]

Well if you worked in Burglary, would you not expect to be an expert in the law around it?

I can't speak for all but I for one are not an expert in any one field - and very few are fixed on one job/topic. ie JUST Burglary.

I am expected to 'know it all' and be able to cover any job thrown at me.

I have a lot of portfolios (Eight at last count) so for example using one of them:
'Proprty Damage Officer' - I fairly should be expected to know/do 1/8th of that portfolio?

[scumdog]

Waste of time asking, him he's probably drunk

I wish!

I've got to work tonight.

(and you'll keep...)

[nzspokes]

I can't speak for all but I for one are not an expert in any one field - and very few are fixed on one job/topic. ie JUST Burglary.

I am expected to 'know it all' and be able to cover any job thrown at me.

I have a lot of portfolios (Eight at last count) so for example using one of them:
'Proprty Damage Officer' - I fairly should be expected to know/do 1/8th of that portfolio?

The unit Im dealing with is a specialist one. I would have thought they would know what they are doing. Sadly they dont seem to.

[rastuscat]

I claim to be an expert in only one thing. Donuts.

In everything else, I'm fairly good, but there's always something I can learn.

I can give you chapter and verse on the traffic light phasing of intersections, LB movement crashes, any number of things, but it's not possible to know everything.

Bloke approached me recently expecting me to know the maximum towing capacity of his X5 BMW.

Too much for even me, I'm afraid.