MotoGP 2012

**tail_end_charlie** · 4th October 2012, 12:09

Originally Posted by ktm84mxc

VR racing a WSBK would be like Hamilton\Alonso in a tin top, when you've raced the best can you accept a production based product ?

Depends, VR has often said that he races because he enjoys it. So if he is able to jump onto a WSBK bike and have a good scuffle with a bunch of other riders over the course of a race, battling for podium positions, that would probably be more fun then he is having now, lapping around a track by himself almost like a test day.

**tail_end_charlie** · 4th October 2012, 12:22

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

A quote from that article:
"Honda threatening to leave MotoGP and go to WSBK because of the lack of technical freedom in MotoGP is like an artist threatening to defect from China because of a lack of artistic freedom, and go and live in North Korea."

Ha ha ha, love it! David Emmett is a damn fine writer and evidently has a pretty damn good view of how things operate in MotoGP. I really like the was he presents the info on his site too. Anyways, on to the important matters......

I like what he said about the rules in World SBK, but I would still wish that they would tighten them up even more. The bikes that are used WSBK are so far removed from the actual production bikes that its hardly fair to compare them. My idea of a fair world of racing:

Superstock - Remove the road going gear and make necessary safety mods, slicks, and race'em. As close to bone stock as possible.

WSBK - At least in the same ball park as the production bikes. Retain the orginal swingarm, frame, engine, fuel tank location, and stock ECU. Allow mods of the shock linkage, forks, brakes, and run with a spec piggyback ECU module that would allow manipulation of the stock ECU, but nothing really elaborate. In other words if the bike comes with a stock ECU traction control system, you can tweak it with the piggyback module; but if it doesn't have a traction control system stock, then you can't add one. Also impliment a engine rule like currently in MotoGP (number of engines = number of rounds/2).

Moto2 - Open to engine development along the same lines as MotoGP but with a sophisticated spec ECU. Engine rule like currently in MotoGP

MotoGP - Open up the rules on engine development to allow people to think and try to come up with different engine layouts to challenge the 4 cylinder dominace.

I would like to see them stay away from a spec ECU in MotoGP, just so that the 'premier class' is where the factories can go all out on prototypes and allow the creative juices flow. If Moto2 were opened up to engine development there would be a opportunity for smaller Tom, Dick and Harry builders to try their hand at making steps forward in motocycle design, while hopefully the factories concentrate on the MotoGP class. May need some rules for Moto2 that restrict the ability of factories to make entries into that series.

I posted that a month or so ago (damn I'm good at predicting the future!!) as far as what I thought the rules of MotoGP and WSBK should be. Maybe we'll see something close to that in the next few years???

**pritch** · 4th October 2012, 12:28

Originally Posted by ktm84mxc

VR racing a WSBK would be like Hamilton\Alonso in a tin top, when you've raced the best can you accept a production based product ?

I don't think Carlos Checa or Max Biaggi are too bothered.

**jasonu** · 4th October 2012, 12:51

Originally Posted by Sketchy_Racer

, I like Spies, for a yank he never complains and just tries his best. That and his style looks freaken awesome!

and he was O for Orsum to watch when he was Mladins team mate in the AMA superbike series.

**denill** · 4th October 2012, 14:12

Originally Posted by pritch

I don't think Carlos Checa or Max Biaggi are too bothered.

And Melandri.

**denill** · 4th October 2012, 14:20

An upside of a sole administration for MotoGP and WSBK will be a co-ordinated event calendar.

**Drew** · 4th October 2012, 14:51

Originally Posted by pritch

I don't think Carlos Checa or Max Biaggi are too bothered.

Originally Posted by denill

And Melandri.

And not one of those guys won a title on the big GP bikes. Two or four stroke.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th October 2012, 15:10

Originally Posted by pritch

I don't think Carlos Checa or Max Biaggi are too bothered.

Originally Posted by denill

And Melandri.

Say what you like...but every single one of those guys would've longed to have been the Moto GP World Champion whether they admit it or not. They all ended up in Superbikes simply because they could no longer cut it in Moto GP.

**Drew** · 4th October 2012, 15:16

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

They all ended up in Superbikes simply because they could no longer cut it in Moto GP.

They were not gonna win GP races, but they lost rides when people they were beating did not.

It's not as black and white as your statement, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th October 2012, 15:43

Originally Posted by Drew

They were not gonna win GP races, but they lost rides when people they were beating did not.

It's not as black and white as your statement, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

Max pretty much lost his Moto GP dream for being an arrogant nasty lil arsehole that no one wanted to employ. Melandri's head was done in by the Ducati...and Carlos was pretty much past his use by date there.

**Oscar** · 4th October 2012, 16:19

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Max pretty much lost his Moto GP dream for being an arrogant nasty lil arsehole that no one wanted to employ.

Yeah, i woulda loved to have seen the look on Max's face when he found out that the crew chief he sacked (for not being Italian) is now Race Director.