Spring's here, time to die

[newbould]

Until you know the facts quite frankly you should stop surmising. It was a tragic weekend and personally I am waiting for the outcome of the accident investigations before randomly and insensitively surmising on cause and effect.

Constantly hear that the serious crash unit are investigating but where can we get to read these reports? lots to learn there surely.

[schrodingers cat]

people keep telling me i'm a looser...

must be f*cken l33t.

You're not a looser bro - you're the King of Irony

[Katman]

Your implication being, of course, that they did not is utterly fictitious, insensitive and misinformed crap.

And of course, you're certain that everyone on that ride was riding with absolute concentration on what they were doing?

[scumdog]

And of course, you're certain that everyone on that ride was riding with absolute concentration on what they were doing?

And you know different?

[Katman]

And you know different?

I wouldn't say I know different - but I can certainly imagine different.

[scumdog]

I wouldn't say I know different - but I can certainly imagine different.

But...but..you said you know all....

[Katman]

But...but..you said you know all....

Nah, that's just my marketing team.

[MrKiwi]

I'd fire your marketing team...

[Conquiztador]

I'd fire your marketing team...

I think you will find that they resigned and he is now doing his own marketing...

[Drew]

Ooohhhhh good, another Katman bashing thread. These are always good fun.

Katanas can suck my balls.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mr Random's comment may have been a big call, but I'm all for big calls.

On-coming traffic gets plenty of my attention and if I spot anything that looks potentially threatening then I'm looking to position myself in the best place for evasive action should it be needed.

It's all about riding with ones eyes open and brain switched on.

This is true. But if the cars were stationary...I doubt you or anyone else would slow down to 20kph (if you did/do...you're a fucking menace). So then all of a sudden...out from behind the line of cars pops a van and wastes you...I could understand you (them) not having much of a chance. Yes I know you can see the top of a van over the cars. But if the van too is stantionary...and get's shunted by a car from behind into your path...you wouldn't have seen the car behind the van...

Certain things CAN indeed be unavoidable when riding. But I'm all for taking as much care as you poss can.

[sinfull]

I'd fire your marketing team...

I think you will find that they resigned and he is now doing his own marketing...

Careful, you might find yourself out of a job here !!!

The irony .......

[jrandom]

Hope those words don't come to bite your bum.

So do I!

But seriously, if one's not prepared to back oneself, what the hell is one doing on a motorbike in the first place? All I'm saying is, when I go for a ride, I'm consciously backing myself to stay in one piece. I don't see it as a gamble.

Certain things CAN indeed be unavoidable when riding.

Aye. You could be riding along and get hit by lightning just as a tree falls on you from the side of the road. There's a point where one just has to write the risks off and carry on.

I think you'll find Mr Random's comment was a piss-take. It's what he does.

No, I was quite serious.

What I do is, say exactly what I mean and what I'm prepared to defend. It's often unpopular, and people sometimes deal with it by telling themselves that it's a 'pisstake' and they can therefore ignore it.

It's not. And I never do the "just kidding, haha got you" cop-out when the going gets tough. If someone successfully argues that I'm wrong, I'll change my position.

[Katman]

What disappoints me most is that motorcyclists, by and large, prefer to be patted on the head and told "There, there, you did well to almost avoid the crash" instead of "wake the fuck up and make a better effort next time".

More people should be prepared to make big calls and then set about living up to them.

Seems instead that people prefer to set their goals low enough that no effort is required.

[Zedder]

Constantly hear that the serious crash unit are investigating but where can we get to read these reports? lots to learn there surely.

Good question. The only info (stats etc) I've ever found was on the NZ Police site. There's no actual report on any specific incident that I could see though: https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...-2011-2015.pdf