Spring's here, time to die

[FJRider]

Be careful what you wish for.

They may start producing motorcycles that operate themselves without any rider input.

Build a bike any fool can ride ... and only fools will ride them.

Sales will soar ....

[Genestho]

I think that's because more idiots are on the roads ... than in the air ...

In serious aviation accidents ... blame isn't as urgent as the guilty are usually dead.

Less serious accidents/incidents ... the guilty know already, and usually few of the general public know anything has occurred .... until it is reported in the medias.

Either on the road or in the air ... if the vehicle operators choose to ignore any rules or recommendations ... until they are reported, or an incident occurs ... those operators will continue to ignore the rules and recommendations if they choose.

Company policy's are not always law ... (on the roads or in the air) and dismissal may be the only end result in such cases.

Also planes aren't as accessable if you don't have a license as an example, any old little Johnny that didn't pass his license can't just go take the ole man's plane out, or go buy a cheap plane as a runabout.

You earn your license, you pay for it in spades. There's not the crossection of personalities in planes as there are on the roads. Quite a bit of difference really.

[FJRider]

You earn your license, you pay for it in spades.

Therein lies the key to it ... the effort required to gain a pilots license ... as opposed to gaining a car/bike license.

Most pilots wont risk losing their license to fly by making stupid decisions ... but they know wrong decisions will kill them.

Road users know wrong decisions MAY kill them ... maybe ... if they are unlucky ... maybe .. !!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Be careful what you wish for.

They may start producing motorcycles that operate themselves without any need for rider input.

Pretty sure we'll have compulsary ABS before long.

[Genestho]

Therein lies the key to it ... the effort required to gain a pilots license ... as opposed to gaining a car/bike license.

Most pilots wont risk losing their license to fly by making stupid decisions ... but they know wrong decisions will kill them.

Road users know wrong decisions MAY kill them ... maybe ... if they are unlucky ... maybe .. !!

Effort and costs are a huge part and I suspect the type of personality as well.

Funny isn't it; death is death by whatever vehicle, very much a possibility on the roads, more so by law of averages, in the air - less so by alttitude and landing speed..
But a Pilot will view his position as important, the carrying of his passengers a priority of importance and there's an utmost respect (quite rightly so) for his machine.

[oneofsix]

Be careful what you wish for.

They may start producing motorcycles that operate themselves without any need for rider input.

Sadly that is better than the alternative which could happen when cars without driver input become common, removal of bikes altogether. Now that would be a crying shame. But I was talking redesign not removal.

Crasher, How does ABS go off-road on a bike?

[GTRMAN]

Pretty sure we'll have compulsary ABS before long.

That can't be a bad thing for road bikes though....even if you are uber vigilant and mindful of your situation as the learned mr Katman espouses. Anything that gives you the edge or a help when you grab a fist full of brake has to be good news.

That said, would it then make a generation of riders who don't know how to modulate brake pressure for the conditions?

And just like that another lid parts with a can..... would someone please get a broom for the worms before they make a mess.

[FJRider]

But a Pilot will view his position as important, the carrying of his passengers a priority of importance and there's an utmost respect (quite rightly so) for his machine.

Even simple things like low on fuel in an aircraft ... takes on a different perspective, than a biker would see on the road ...

[Katman]

That said, would it then make a generation of riders who don't know how to modulate brake pressure for the conditions?

Yep, it's all in the name of catering to the dumbest common denominator.

[Genestho]

Even simple things like low on fuel in an aircraft ... takes on a different perspective, than a biker would see on the road ...

lol, exactly - a whole different experience aye, imagine if it were thought if you didn't top your fuel up that you could likely be facing a life or death situation!!
Pretty sure the average user would never be up for that kinda responsibility

[James Deuce]

lol, exactly - a whole different experience aye, imagine if it were thought if you didn't top your fuel up that you could likely be facing a life or death situation!!
Pretty sure the average user would never be up for that kinda responsibility

It's the sort of responsibility I have to assume, because it's that level of stupid stuff that is most dangerous to me. I'll avoid the jack-knifed B-train sliding toward me, but half an orange tossed casually from a car traveling in the opposite direction will interface with my front tyre and the tarmac at precisely the moment I gently touch the brakes to avoid running too close to the car in front, causing me to lose the front, slide testicles first into road-side furniture where I can have a ringside seat of my bike cartwheeling to destruction before finally mounting the rear of an SUV and entering the passenger space resulting in a careless misuse causing injury charge for me, which will attract the maximum penalty, just because.

[Zedder]

lol, exactly - a whole different experience aye, imagine if it were thought if you didn't top your fuel up that you could likely be facing a life or death situation!!
Pretty sure the average user would never be up for that kinda responsibility

It hasn't always been as involved to get a pilots licence or a motorbike licence in the past though. Aviation, due its critical nature and skills needed etc, has evolved considerablly. Having said that, the latest pilots licence available is a Recreational one and is cheaper and less complicated to get than the standard Private one. TPTB have weighed the risks and worked out the factors needed to make it as "safe as possible".

Also, the stages to a full motorbike licence certainly wasn't like that originally. It has evolved as well just like the need for a Serious Crash Unit being created.

[GTRMAN]

Yep, it's all in the name of catering to the dumbest common denominator.

Would you ride a bike with ABS?

[Road kill]

Pretty sure we'll have compulsary ABS before long.

I read an articile on an American bike site this morning about how it's under consideration over there right now.

Victoria will follow the American lead and we will be follow them not long after.

Give it five years max I'd say.

[Str8 Jacket]

I often say that I think people should have to ride a scooter for no less than 6 months and that they have to do an certain amount of km's on it prior to being eligible for a drivers licence. In my opinion it would make the majority of people more aware about what is going on around them and teach them to respect the road and other users, or Darwin's theory kicks in.