Spring's here, time to die

[Katman]

It most certainly is not.

Is too.

So there.

[jrandom]

control the bike better under breaking

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It most certainly is not. ABS is not good for gravel running but on tarmac it does improve your stopping capability. People who say they can stop better and control the bike better under breaking than ABS can are, quite frankly, dreaming. The research is pretty clear.

That doesn't change the fact that should you want to lock a wheel at will you can't. And think you'll find there are certainly select few that can stop harder in certain conditions without it.

[FJRider]

I agree. ABS in and of itself will not save you, nothing will. But in a situation where you are doing everything you can, surely a little help is not a bad thing. This in no way absolves the rider from knowing how to ride his motorcycle though.

Spend a bit of time on "Old School" bikes .. where the owners manual states a small prayer you should recite as you apply the brakes ... then ride one where the brakes will make you faceplant the tarmac if you use the same force.

Which is more dangerous ... ???

Help is one thing ... reliance on that help is another. Ability to use that help rather than dependance on it ...

As per usual ... familiarity with your own ability, and the capabilities of your bike is more important than having all the "good bits" that will (supposedly) make your life safer.

[jrandom]

Nothing?

Yeah. We're doomed.

Regarding ABS, I think it's more useful in cars than on bikes, because in cars you're not controlling the brakes with a delicate squeeze of the fingertips - you're stomping on a pedal with your shoe. Less subtlety and feedback, easier to fuck up and lock the wheels unintentionally.

I've ridden a couple of bikes with ABS but never bothered to test it. *shrug* I probably wouldn't buy a bike with ABS anyhow, just because they all seem to be big heavy things and I don't really like me a big heavy bike.

[Edbear]

It most certainly is not. ABS is not good for gravel running but on tarmac it does improve your stopping capability. People who say they can stop better and control the bike better under breaking than ABS can are, quite frankly, dreaming. The research is pretty clear.

Yup! Even racers recognise the advantages of both traction control and ABS.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Regarding ABS, I think it's more useful in cars than on bikes, because in cars you're not controlling the brakes with a delicate squeeze of the fingertips - you're stomping on a pedal with your shoe. Less subtlety and feedback, easier to fuck up and lock the wheels unintentionally.

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Agreed. I find it hard to make myself get it to kick in on the front of a bike anyway just to see what it's like.

[jrandom]

Yup! Even racers recognise the advantages of both traction control and ABS.

Traction control, yes, of course. Got any quotes you can link to from racers who like ABS, though?

[FJRider]

No riding aid, with the exception of a star trek emergency transporter that beams you back to your couch in a nanosecond

On my last visit to the Big Red Shed ... I tried to buy one ... but they were out of stock ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Traction control, yes, of course. ough?

And even then...some like it a lot less than others. Some knock it right back.

[Katman]

No riding aid, with the exception of a star trek emergency transporter that beams you back to your couch in a nanosecond

Is that like the reset button on a Playstation game?

[Edbear]

Traction control, yes, of course. Got any quotes you can link to from racers who like ABS, though?

http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/...icism-debunked

http://www.ridergroups.com/motorcycl...ave-your-life/

A couple of good opinions. Of course some racers like to "back it in" or use a slide to adjust a corner angle, but over all it appears the technology is getting better all the time.

Losing the front end usually ends in decking it and can hurt so here is where it may be extra helpful.

[jrandom]

A couple of good opinions.

Neither are from a racer. One's from some guy who rides a Harley and writes shit on the internet (although I bet he's not as good-looking as me) and the other is Keith Code saying that bikes with TC and ABS cause people to fall off less in rider training school. Which makes sense.

So. Back to my question - got any quotes from racers who like ABS?

[Str8 Jacket]

Neither are from a racer. One's from some guy who rides a Harley and writes shit on the internet (although I bet he's not as good-looking as me) and the other is Keith Code saying that bikes with TC and ABS cause people to fall off less in rider training school. Which makes sense.

So. Back to my question - got any quotes from racers who like ABS?

Oh Dan just .....

[Edbear]

Oh Dan just .....

Yup...