Spring's here, time to die

[puddytat]

Of the people I now who have binned it on the road, they all freaked , stood the bike up,@ as soon as the front wheel hit the shit off piste (road), dropped it. Dont think that ABS would have helped when faced with grass much.
I think the reason why Nicky went into the wall was that he was trying to save Ducati another costly repair bill....

[actungbaby]

Anybody can be a riding god sitting at their computer.

yeah i say buddy rode my bike on open road other day and world diffrence to city riding

a moment hesitation when was corning at 100kph and like blimmey your got keep calm

just changed down accerated and was fine but freaked out i whould been over the centre line

at that speed things happen fast.

[Banditbandit]

yeah i say buddy rode my bike on open road other day ...

Gawd .. you're a trusting soul .. don'tcha know ...

Never lend out your bike or your woman .. they never come back the same ..

[SMOKEU]

Since non ABS can stop faster than ABS, your logic is just as stupid as you think CFWB's is.

Maybe on a race track, but I call bullshit on public roads on modern bikes with modern ABS. The state of the roads in NZ is generally not that good, with an often unpredictable surface and grip levels.

If a cager pulls out in front of you while you're doing 100kmh and the road is wet or there's gravel on the road, then you will not be able to stop as quickly without ABS. Being on a race track with a consistent surface where you know your braking points like the back of your hand is a lot different from a panic braking situation where you certainly won't be thinking clearly. There are many things that computers can do much better than humans.

[Drew]

Maybe on a race track, but I call bullshit on public roads on modern bikes with modern ABS. The state of the roads in NZ is generally not that good, with an often unpredictable surface and grip levels.

If a cager pulls out in front of you while you're doing 100kmh and the road is wet or there's gravel on the road, then you will not be able to stop as quickly without ABS. Being on a race track with a consistent surface where you know your braking points like the back of your hand is a lot different from a panic braking situation where you certainly won't be thinking clearly. There are many things that computers can do much better than humans.

I've been told it's proventhat I'm wrong.

But the dribble you just spouted, is not even close to the reason.

[madandy]

When the road code states that we all must ride/drive at a speed that enables us to stop our vehicles within the clear length of road (visible) ahead and half that distance on a road with no centre line is it any wonder some think we do need ABS to save our sorry arses?

Every day, sometimes twice daily I pull put of a driveway that, to my right offers only 40-50m of visibility to oncoming divers. My truck n trailer is 20m long, between 18500kg - 45000kg and moves slowly out across oth lanes to make the turn, legally.

The vehiles with ABS always stop short but twice, cars have locked their front wheels and it is these buggers that crash...always them at fault.
The road has been realigned and widened to offer about 80m clear vision, but my fear is, once the surface is sealed the damn fools will drive faster!

[FJRider]

... is a lot different from a panic braking situation where you certainly won't be thinking clearly. There are many things that computers can do much better than humans.

"Panic Braking" is a term that describes the result of irrational decisions, made by irrational people, that believe they are in an irrational situation ... and believe the method/practice as normal and expected action.

Those such people have no business exceeding any posted speed limit ... and some may go as far as to say ... they shouldn't even be on the road.

[Berries]

When the road code states that we all must ride/drive at a speed that enables us to stop our vehicles within the clear length of road (visible) ahead and half that distance on a road with no centre line is it any wonder some think we do need ABS to save our sorry arses?

Every day, sometimes twice daily I pull put of a driveway that, to my right offers only 40-50m of visibility to oncoming divers. My truck n trailer is 20m long, between 18500kg - 45000kg and moves slowly out across oth lanes to make the turn, legally.

The vehiles with ABS always stop short but twice, cars have locked their front wheels and it is these buggers that crash...always them at fault.
The road has been realigned and widened to offer about 80m clear vision, but my fear is, once the surface is sealed the damn fools will drive faster!

I have argued this before but who actually rides/drives at a speed that enables us to stop our vehicles within the clear length of visible road ahead? I would wager not one person. Here I am thinking blind crests more than anything, but also some of the sharper corners. And I bet you don't, either on your bike or in the truck. I pity the poor sod who comes over the crest with 50m visibility and sees a truck and trailer fully across the road. Clear length of visible road might mean traveling at 30km/h. Never seen it happen.

[Brian d marge]

I have argued this before but who actually rides/drives at a speed that enables us to stop our vehicles within the clear length of visible road ahead? I would wager not one person. Here I am thinking blind crests more than anything, but also some of the sharper corners. And I bet you don't, either on your bike or in the truck. I pity the poor sod who comes over the crest with 50m visibility and sees a truck and trailer fully across the road. Clear length of visible road might mean traveling at 30km/h. Never seen it happen.

Unless the two second rule has changed
You won't see me travelling faster than I can stop ( in the road available) OR I will have an escape route so that when I am day dreaming , it doesn't hurt
Stephen
Haven't needed abs ever , nor will I

[Drew]

Unless the two second rule has changed
You won't see me travelling faster than I can stop ( in the road available) OR I will have an escape route so that when I am day dreaming , it doesn't hurt
Stephen
Haven't needed abs ever , nor will I

Read the other guys text again.

He is saying, coming to a blind crest pon the open road, with no suggested speed signs to say there's a corner, he bets you don't slow down so that no matter what appears at the top of that crest you can still stop.

Think about it, we don't. I know most of the main roads up and down the north island fairly well, I drive them more than most. So although I'm very seldom in danger of hitting a car or bike in front of me due to following distance any more, I don't slow down because of blind corners and crests.

[Maha]

Read the other guys text again.

He is saying, coming to a blind crest pon the open road, with no suggested speed signs to say there's a corner, he bets you don't slow down so that no matter what appears at the top of that crest you can still stop.

Think about it, we don't. I know most of the main roads up and down the north island fairly well, I drive them more than most. So although I'm very seldom in danger of hitting a car or bike in front of me due to following distance any more, I don't slow down because of blind corners and crests.

I was following some chap on a Triumph Crusier one fine day, the road was straight, but crested, yet, he slowed at the top of each crest which was really unnerving.

[FJRider]

I was following some chap on a Triumph Crusier one fine day, the road was straight, but crested, yet, he slowed at the top of each crest which was really unnerving.

So he didn't have blind faith that the road ahead was clear. Why should that be an issue for you .. ??

[oneofsix]

So he didn't have blind faith that the road ahead was clear. Why should that be an issue for you .. ??

I have to agree with FJ unless there is more to this. Rule is you drive/ride at speed that you can stop within clear distance you can see, if he couldn't see clear road over the crest for his speed he should slow. I will admit the usual is not to so it can be unnerving when one does

[Crasherfromwayback]

So he didn't have blind faith that the road ahead was clear. Why should that be an issue for you .. ??

I have to agree with FJ unless there is more to this. Rule is you drive/ride at speed that you can stop within clear distance you can see, if he couldn't see clear road over the crest for his speed he should slow. I will admit the usual is not to so it can be unnerving when one does

It's not an issue for me. But I sure as fuck wouldn't ride with anyone that does at every crest.

[98tls]

It's not an issue for me. But I sure as fuck wouldn't ride with anyone that does at every crest.

Same though i guess if you wanted to get pedantic it would be a safe way of doing things,very boring but.This threads had me looking back on my offs,not counting the many off road ones riding dirt bikes theres been 5,worst was up the summit road when a young fella resulting in a long stay in hospital,entirely my fault,actually they have all been my fault bar 1 where i came round a tight left hander to find a Hillman Hunter taking up all the road doing a u turn,into it then over it i went.I guess some could argue using the "cresting a hill" thing ie slow down for every corner but its not going to happen eh.