Collected some revenue today

[Berries]

Hmmm. More yellow lines marked to reinforce the keeping left rule rather than what they are intended for. It used to be safe to overtake on these bends until a good posi for the camera was found. Better photos here.

[scumdog]

Hmmm. More yellow lines marked to reinforce the keeping left rule rather than what they are intended for. It used to be safe to overtake on these bends until a good posi for the camera was found. Better photos here.

Cannot these brainless cretins drive without using the whole road????

[slofox]

I see that all the time around these parts. Which is why I keep way the fuck left on every left hand bend in the highway.

[Edbear]

dumbing down the roads dumbs down the drivers.
& wrong, sooner TPTB start treating the licence as proof of ability to drive is the sooner we'll see an overall improvement of the standard of driving (& a lovely side-effect of an overall drop in driver numbers)

And the more rules/restrictions (many seemingly pointless) the more likely it is that people will not be able to find any logic in their structure that they can link with common sense and then they will reason that there isn't any reliable logic to using common sense when it doesn't equate to the rules/law/regulations etc. Then they start thinking (or not) that as long as there isn't a rule that explicitly says that something shouldn't be done, it must be ok to do it. Then we will need even more rules and pretty soon we won't be able to pick our nose or sratch our arse without a permit.

You both make valid points, but you need to consider the difference between the ideal, or what "should be" and the reality of what is.

That would work Steve - as soon as the drivers test was meaningful.
At the moment you can only treat it as proof that at some time the owner of the licence knew the minimum required to pass said test...

Do you think it's the test per se, or the fact that anyone with an overseas or international licence can drive in NZ without sitting the test first? So many seem to be oblivious of the road rules, never seem to see signs and simply cannot adequately control a motor vehicle.

I see the need for testing immigrant drivers, making a Defensive Driving Course mandatory for geting a licence that includes making drivers aware of the consequences of stuffing up. This may possibly make a difference to the young males with far too much testosterone in their systems.

Don't ever pass on the left...


There actually isn't double yellow lines. The yellow line on the other side of the road has absolutely no relevance to you at all. All you can have is a single yellow line. The other side can then also have a single yellow line for them...

Sorry, correct technically.

In sport, work, some leisure activities, or anything else governed by a set of rules, people will follow them without a second thought. They realise if everyone plays to the same set of rules the system must be fair to all. Yet when it comes to the road, the most deadly game of all, people think they have the right to analyse the rules and only follow those which they agree with.

Sadly so true.

Blindly sticking to the rules does not make for a safe driver. Also, driving outside the rules doesn't necessarily make for an unsafe driver.


Ah, but who sets the rules for a sport? Ultimately it's the players (the governing body usually being made up of current and retired players). On the road the rules are set by a bunch of beurocrats that know nothing about driving.

Bollocks, the rules are made in consultation with the relevant advisory services and in discussions in the House and Caucus.

[FJRider]

Hmmm. More yellow lines marked to reinforce the keeping left rule rather than what they are intended for.

If the yellow lines were adhered to previously ... there probably wouldn't be as much of it. But if there's a few crashes due to dangerous overtaking in those "yellow lined" areas ... the only other option would be reduction in the speed limit for the area.

[FJRider]

I was on it a month ago, don't recall that particular bit, I'll take your word that the apparent 500M of clear road... isn't.

The piece of road in question is just south of the (uphill) passing lane ... that is on the south side of Gorge creek.

[Scuba_Steve]

Couple of bits of law, actually.

No passing lines are covered here

Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004
2.9Passing where roadway marked with no-passing line
(1)This clause applies if a driver is at or approaching a portion of a roadway where the road controlling authority has, in accordance with any enactment, marked a no-passing line applying to traffic moving in the direction in which the driver is moving.
(2)The driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement the driver keeps the vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.
Compare: SR 1976/227 r 8(6)

Cheers Mr Cat, this is the best I found too. My problem is that I cannot find mention of what "no-passing lines" are, I've failed to find any legislation stating yellow lines are no-passing lines & no passing-lines are yellow.
Before people start, yes obviously we all know & accept that yellow lines mean no passing, I just want to see the legislation stating as much.
I know the keep left rule just fine, I just wish others would learn it's not only illegal to hang out in the right hand lane of a 2 lane road but also complete wankery & get back in the left hand lane where they belong so the rest of us can move on.

Do you think it's the test per se, or the fact that anyone with an overseas or international licence can drive in NZ without sitting the test first? So many seem to be oblivious of the road rules, never seem to see signs and simply cannot adequately control a motor vehicle.

Yes everyone should be tested before being allowed on NZ roads, I have even suggested a system for this making it viable to do so. Of-course the system could bring about a fail for both NZ & international drivers which alone is why the Govt would try & not introduce such a system

[Edbear]

Yes everyone should be tested before being allowed on NZ roads, I have even suggested a system for this making it viable to do so. Of-course the system could bring about a fail for both NZ & international drivers which alone is why the Govt would try & not introduce such a system

Might just email TPTB and see what response I get...

[rastuscat]

Cheers Mr Cat, this is the best I found too. My problem is that I cannot find mention of what "no-passing lines" are, I've failed to find any legislation stating yellow lines are no-passing lines & no passing-lines are yellow.

Your wish, Mr Taxpayer, is my public servant command.......

Land Transport Rule: Traffic Control Devices 2004
7.3No-passing lines
7.3(1)A road controlling authority may mark a no-passing line on a section of roadway if the road controlling authority considers that there is a risk to safety from vehicles that, when passing other vehicles (other than stationary vehicles or cycles) that are moving in the same direction, intrude into a lane that is being used by traffic travelling in the opposite direction.
7.3(2)A no-passing line applies to traffic that normally travels to the left of the line and must consist of a continuous yellow line not less than 100 mm wide that is marked approximately 100 mm to the left of either:
(a)another continuous yellow line; or
(b)a broken or continuous white line in the form described in 7.2(2)(a); or
(c)a dashed yellow line in the form described in 7.3(3); or
(d)a regular pattern of raised white or yellow pavement markers.
7.3(3)If practicable, a no-passing line must be preceded by a line not less than 100 mm wide and consisting of a series of yellow dashes, each of which is not longer than 15 m, to inform drivers of the existence of the no-passing line ahead.

Just off the top of my head, yet again. Commas included.

[Scuba_Steve]

Your wish, Mr Taxpayer, is my public servant command.......

Land Transport Rule: Traffic Control Devices 2004
7.3No-passing lines
7.3(1)A road controlling authority may mark a no-passing line on a section of roadway if the road controlling authority considers that there is a risk to safety from vehicles that, when passing other vehicles (other than stationary vehicles or cycles) that are moving in the same direction, intrude into a lane that is being used by traffic travelling in the opposite direction.
7.3(2)A no-passing line applies to traffic that normally travels to the left of the line and must consist of a continuous yellow line not less than 100 mm wide that is marked approximately 100 mm to the left of either:
(a)another continuous yellow line; or
(b)a broken or continuous white line in the form described in 7.2(2)(a); or
(c)a dashed yellow line in the form described in 7.3(3); or
(d)a regular pattern of raised white or yellow pavement markers.
7.3(3)If practicable, a no-passing line must be preceded by a line not less than 100 mm wide and consisting of a series of yellow dashes, each of which is not longer than 15 m, to inform drivers of the existence of the no-passing line ahead.

Just off the top of my head, yet again. Commas included.

Ah excellent, donut on me.
I never looked at traffic control devices probably over looked it as by the title it sounds like rules surrounding temp traffic control rather than the permanent ones as well

[arcane12]

I was on it a month ago, don't recall that particular bit, I'll take your word that the apparent 500M of clear road... isn't.



Fixt. No problem with sensible rules.



There's always things we might not see. But there's the thing, nobody else is responsible for my safety, that's all mine. So nobody else gets to dictate how I deal with issues surrounding my safety. I don't unnescessarily straighten out corners by crossing ordinary white lines let alone yellow ones, but I will if I think it's safer for me to do so.

That happens very very rarely and I've never been pinged for it, but it has happened and faced with the same situation I'd do it again without hesitation.

I agree with Croc, also, yellow lines are becoming so prevalent in areas where passing is pretty safe that people who used to hold them as absolute gospel now more or less ignore them.

Right. Back to Black Label and curry.

Yes, no-one else is responsible for your safety (lets not argue that!) but when you are on the road you are behind the wheel (or sitting on top of) a dangerous device, and any mistake you make can impact on other people. Especially when crossing the centre line where you are more likely to meet oncoming traffic. So when you do so (and make a mistake) you are not only endandering your life, but could be endangering mine too!

Now being a little less dramatic, I used to cut the corners a bit back in the day, but really whats the point? I hope my driving (and soon my riding) has/will develop to the point that I can maintain a good, but safe speed around corners AND stay in my own lane. Everytime I chose to take an action that might break the law I have to think why am I risking my safety, and the safety of others?

[Jantar]

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Ah, but who sets the rules for a sport? Ultimately it's the players (the governing body usually being made up of current and retired players). On the road the rules are set by a bunch of beurocrats that know nothing about driving.

Bollocks, the rules are made in consultation with the relevant advisory services and in discussions in the House and Caucus.

I do believe you have both said the same thing.

[Ocean1]

Yes, no-one else is responsible for your safety (lets not argue that!) but when you are on the road you are behind the wheel (or sitting on top of) a dangerous device, and any mistake you make can impact on other people. Especially when crossing the centre line where you are more likely to meet oncoming traffic. So when you do so (and make a mistake) you are not only endandering your life, but could be endangering mine too!

Now being a little less dramatic, I used to cut the corners a bit back in the day, but really whats the point? I hope my driving (and soon my riding) has/will develop to the point that I can maintain a good, but safe speed around corners AND stay in my own lane. Everytime I chose to take an action that might break the law I have to think why am I risking my safety, and the safety of others?

You're not listening. If I believe it's safer for me to break a road rule than comply with it then I will do so. Every time. By implication such behaiour is both perfectly rational and safer for those sharing the road with me at that point.

I'd quote examples, but I'm sure your imagination, should you consult it would furnish you with examples where you'd behave similarly.

[chasio]

Your wish, Mr Taxpayer, is my public servant command.......

Land Transport Rule: Traffic Control Devices 2004
7.3No-passing lines
7.3(1)A road controlling authority may mark a no-passing line on a section of roadway if the road controlling authority considers that there is a risk to safety from vehicles that, when passing other vehicles (other than stationary vehicles or cycles) that are moving in the same direction, intrude into a lane that is being used by traffic travelling in the opposite direction.
-snip-

The stationary vehicle I knew about but this also says that I can cross a yellow line to pass a cyclist, correct? I have to say I have done this as it felt the safest way to avoid prolonged low speed torture or a good rogering from behind (think uphill twisties when driving), but I assumed I was actually liable for a ticket if the poliss disagreed with my reasoning.

[pzkpfw]

The stationary vehicle I knew about but this also says that I can cross a yellow line to pass a cyclist, correct? I have to say I have done this as it felt the safest way to avoid prolonged low speed torture or a good rogering from behind (think uphill twisties when driving), but I assumed I was actually liable for a ticket if the poliss disagreed with my reasoning.

Nice catch. I've often wondered about that on the back road from Tawa to J'Ville. To give cyclists a full size "safety bubble" I have to go over the yellows (except I don't on corners, where I don't have enough visibility; so in those cases I just slow down and wait).