Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

[brp]

Its a form of entrapment! [/url]

Its not an automatic duty of tax payers to have to foot the bill for police time to do
pre-checks - buy your own breathalyzer or sleep it off

[oneofsix]

Its not an automatic duty of tax payers to have to foot the bill for police time to do
pre-checks - buy your own breathalyzer or sleep it off

Hold up. Tax payers are footing the bill for police time to make the roads safer, pre-checks of people volunteering is a better and more efficient way to achieve this and more co-operative.

[willytheekid]

Its not an automatic duty of tax payers to have to foot the bill for police time to do
pre-checks - buy your own breathalyzer or sleep it off

AHHHH....The Popo are there already (and there budgets been done!), and they are there with the intent of testing everyone leaving anyway...the focus is "mean't" to be on road safety!...so why would they then "refuse" to test concerned riders, who are making an effort to ensure they are not over the limit the next morning/afternoon.

Yes...You can sleep it off...and then HOPE your actually under...you can also buy a breathalyzer of varying accuracy($$$ NOT cheap for a good one), and once again HOPE your under...OR!...you could just walk up to the friendly popo and make a sensible request to ensure your safe to ride and under the limit set by there testing standards...now thats certainly not going to break the budget!, and its actually going to ensure safe & legal riding, and its also helping to ensure the safety of other road users.(not to mention give the popo a chance to talk to people at the rally)



ps: for the record...I don't really drink anymore...and I gave up on rallys many many years ago due to the rediculas amounts of accidents and idiots necessitating the need for heavy popo attention...nowdays a rally, to me, just equates to a ride that is constantly interupted by check points, repeat scrutiny and learner riders trying to kill you with there "enthusiasm" for the ride (Showing off!)...but I do still understand the allure

[brp]

Yeah obviously valid points !

I'm for user pays and self responsibility - yah know yah going to be riding your bike the next day so have some self control
or find an alternative so you can get plastered at the rally as you watch some bee stings in a wet t shirt or throw
a possum

But yes if the alternative has to be folk lining up like a bunch of primary school kids for a blow - bring it on - many will already be riding down the
road cause they know they are well under the limit cause they can remember how much they drunk last night.

Bike rally organisers could provide a decent breathalyser with the $ taken in year after year ....

Yeah police time already paid for but could be put to far better use down the road on the road

[oneofsix]

Yeah obviously valid points !

I'm for user pays and self responsibility - yah know yah going to be riding your bike the next day so have some self control
or find an alternative so you can get plastered at the rally as you watch some bee stings in a wet t shirt or throw
a possum

But yes if the alternative has to be folk lining up like a bunch of primary school kids for a blow - bring it on - many will already be riding down the
road cause they know they are well under the limit cause they can remember how much they drunk last night.

Bike rally organisers could provide a decent breathalyser with the $ taken in year after year ....

Yeah police time already paid for but could be put to far better use down the road on the road

Who's the user? The drunk would argue that they were the victim, it is the other "innocent" road users that are the users of the police testing and if it keeps the drunk off the road in the first place, prevention rather than cure, then all the better.

[GrayWolf]

AHHHH....The Popo are there already (and there budgets been done!), and they are there with the intent of testing everyone leaving anyway...the focus is "mean't" to be on road safety!...so why would they then "refuse" to test concerned riders, who are making an effort to ensure they are not over the limit the next morning/afternoon.

Yes...You can sleep it off...and then HOPE your actually under...you can also buy a breathalyzer of varying accuracy($$$ NOT cheap for a good one), and once again HOPE your under...OR!...you could just walk up to the friendly popo and make a sensible request to ensure your safe to ride and under the limit set by there testing standards...now thats certainly not going to break the budget!, and its actually going to ensure safe & legal riding, and its also helping to ensure the safety of other road users.(not to mention give the popo a chance to talk to people at the rally)



ps: for the record...I don't really drink anymore...and I gave up on rallys many many years ago due to the rediculas amounts of accidents and idiots necessitating the need for heavy popo attention...nowdays a rally, to me, just equates to a ride that is constantly interupted by check points, repeat scrutiny and learner riders trying to kill you with there "enthusiasm" for the ride (Showing off!)...but I do still understand the allure

The above is also EXACTLY why I cant be bothered with Rallies any more... And I did them in the UK, Kent Custom, Magna Carta,(MAG), Rockers Re-union runs etc....
The average 'rally' I tried here was just an excuse to get pissed up, and ride 'enthusiastically' to and from....

Nuff said Willy!!!

[dangerous]

ps: I gave up on rallys many many years ago due to the rediculas amounts of accidents and idiots necessitating the need for heavy popo attention...nowdays a rally, to me, just equates to a ride that is constantly interupted by check points, repeat scrutiny and learner riders trying to kill you with there "enthusiasm" for the ride (Showing off!)...but I do still understand the allure

ohhh come on man... fuck after an excess of 100 rally's I have no idea where you get this notion from???
accos... far n few
popo's only in the last couple a years and only the bigest like the brass, hare etc
6-800k last weekend and no check points
cant say any rider least a learner has ever tried to kill me (was a harley that tried to keep me once, he gave up as did the CBR last weekend, out ride em or let em past, up to you)

ps, meet horis on ya old guzzi

The above is also EXACTLY why I cant be bothered with Rallies any more... And I did them in the UK, Kent Custom, Magna Carta,(MAG), Rockers Re-union runs etc....
The average 'rally' I tried here was just an excuse to get pissed up, and ride 'enthusiastically' to and from....

Nuff said Willy!!!

ever been to a southern rally?
Me thinks you keep the wrong company... as above and whats wrong with a beer, chat, catch up, bike talk, tits... you to tence man and lifes to fucking short

[mulletman]

Gotta agree with with 'D' , your riding in the wrong Island....

[Dave-]

hey so RC, who are the coppers that measure up shit after a serious acco? like I had one go a bit mental at me yesterday (jumping up n down waving his hands etc, I just thought the boys where some what friendly on the coast)
Ya come out of a 70k zone into a 100k and being on the coastthe fog line is the bush, I saw the hiddenish 100k sign, thankyou for visiting type sign but was focused on a work ute cutting a wee bit of the next leftie I compleatly missed a 30k sign (was told later there was one there down at ground level) straight after I saw the marked ute I saw a dayglo on the side of the road next to a trypod *enter the jumping up n down copper* thought it was just a surveyor happy to see me, round the corner was a marked police wagon 2 bikes and a bunch a people on the other side of the road...

I figgered it was a speed laser and I was traveling a bit fast for him to get me, but was informed a biker died there the day before and the people where painting a big white cross on the rock wall... opps, whell honestly his 30k sign should have been way better displayed and not under a 100k sign amoungest the bush and other signs, I was tuned on the bend... spose I proved to the copper who now I relise was a surveyor working for the goverment that the corner can be taken at the speed limit with out issues

If you read their literature you'll find posting straight to a 30 in a 100 is illegal.

This is a common one people don't know about and happens from time to time, I'll see what I can dig up for you D

[Dave-]

If you read their literature you'll find posting straight to a 30 in a 100 is illegal.

This is a common one people don't know about and happens from time to time, I'll see what I can dig up for you D

"These limits can only be set if the calculated speed limit for the road is 50 km/h and appropriate and safe traffic engineering techniques are applied to ensure that the mean operating speed of motorised traffic is kept to within 5 km/h of the speed limit."

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/sp...limits-nz.html

Need to know more about the calculated speed limit.

Sounds like the calculated speed limit you were in was 100km/h D?

[Dave-]

"These limits can only be set if the calculated speed limit for the road is 50 km/h and appropriate and safe traffic engineering techniques are applied to ensure that the mean operating speed of motorised traffic is kept to within 5 km/h of the speed limit."

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/sp...limits-nz.html

Need to know more about the calculated speed limit.

Sounds like the calculated speed limit you were in was 100km/h D?

Nailed it

Speed limits less than 50 km/h

3.2(6) A road controlling authority may propose to set a speed limit of less than 50 km/h but, unless section 4 applies, may only set the proposed speed limit if:

(a) the calculated speed limit for the relevant road is 50 km/h; and
(b) the proposed speed limit would be likely to increase the safety of pedestrians, cyclists or other road users; and
(c) safe and appropriate traffic engineering measures are installed so that the measured mean operating speed is within 5 km/h of the proposed speed limit.

source: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ru...s-2003.html#32

From what I can tell there have been many amendments to this, but none pertaining to the setting of speed limits less than 50kph.

If he ticketed you D, you should send him a letter asking him to please review the above.

This should also be a lesson to anyone else here if they get snapped, know your law!

[Berries]

Nailed it.

Erm, not quite. The post would suggest that the 30km/h speed limit was temporary while they painted a cross on the road. Have a read of COPTTM and I am sure you will find that most temporary 30km/h speed limits are not set out in accordance with the legislation, but you are barking up the wrong tree with your calculated speed limit bit, that is for permanent speed limits. Having said that, most permanent 30km/h speed limits that I have seen are bullshit when it comes to the Rule that you quoted.

[Dave-]

Erm, not quite. The post would suggest that the 30km/h speed limit was temporary while they painted a cross on the road. Have a read of COPTTM and I am sure you will find that most temporary 30km/h speed limits are not set out in accordance with the legislation, but you are barking up the wrong tree with your calculated speed limit bit, that is for permanent speed limits. Having said that, most permanent 30km/h speed limits that I have seen are bullshit when it comes to the Rule that you quoted.

ohh yep, I thought that was too easy.

It's buried in the law somewhere...

setting a 30 in a 100 is stupid and dangerous either way.

[GrayWolf]

Quote Originally Posted by GrayWolf View Post
The above is also EXACTLY why I cant be bothered with Rallies any more... And I did them in the UK, Kent Custom, Magna Carta,(MAG), Rockers Re-union runs etc....
The average 'rally' I tried here was just an excuse to get pissed up, and ride 'enthusiastically' to and from....

Nuff said Willy!!!

ever been to a southern rally?
Me thinks you keep the wrong company... as above and whats wrong with a beer, chat, catch up, bike talk, tits... you to tence man and lifes to fucking short

I used to live down South thanks... experience? 'Club' monthly ride.... 'gumboot... stop at pub Riverton, stop at pub tuatapere, stop at pub Te Anau, etc etc.....

My preference?? up 8am Sunday, ride to Te Anau, fill up, coffee at Milford, out across central, then home via SH1 or the back route(s) I did 3 rallies down South, all of then were patronised in the main, by heavy drinking, then ride home next day!! And that was 15-20 yrs ago.
I aint 'too tense man'..... if I want to drink I'll do it at the right time. Youi're right life is too short to waste it drinking, when I can be out riding!
Here's a thought for Ya, instead of waiting for rallies to have a destination...load up the pannier(s) and bugger off for the weekend with no real destination in mind.

[dangerous]

I used to live down South thanks... experience? 'Club' monthly ride.... 'gumboot... stop at pub Riverton, stop at pub tuatapere, stop at pub Te Anau, etc etc.....

My preference?? up 8am Sunday, ride to Te Anau, fill up, coffee at Milford, out across central, then home via SH1 or the back route(s) I did 3 rallies down South, all of then were patronised in the main, by heavy drinking, then ride home next day!! And that was 15-20 yrs ago.
I aint 'too tense man'..... if I want to drink I'll do it at the right time. Youi're right life is too short to waste it drinking, when I can be out riding!
Here's a thought for Ya, instead of waiting for rallies to have a destination...load up the pannier(s) and bugger off for the weekend with no real destination in mind.

Good post... like any event theres allways one dick head or two, sometimes people need to get pissed to help with day to day life, I didnt have in the past tho, and I cant just bolt for the weekend with two under 4yr olds... pre them tho sure did, I partly live for the bike rallys, a chance to meet mates ya havent seen for a long while, chance for a mint ride, a chance to relax and chill to a cold drink, live music and hopfully sun shine... and Im sure you will find 99% are the same, the other 1% I dont let bother me, not for all and thats just fine by me.