Haldanes is closed

[Crasherfromwayback]

Scenery, swimming, snow, beer and wine (if you're lucky enough to be able to afford them) ain't gonna pay your nor my pension when a huge chunk of NZ's best assets (it's young people) have fucked off.



Record time for the typical redneck Kiwi response.


NZ should be making shit and investing in its own people instead of selling off its land and primary assets to pay for shit from Asia.


ps. I'm sorry but your beer is shite.

It's not at all difficult to afford such things. And I think you'll find a lot of the youngins that did fuck off...are coming home now. But young people doing OE's is hardly a new or NZ only thing. And pension? Fucking bludger. Safe for it yourself.

Why do you call me a redneck? Have you ever seen me make any sort of racist comment? If I have...I'll suck your cock. If not...you know the drill.

Now...we should be making shit? Oh we could...but seeing as you and other experts go on about our low wages...how could we 'make shit' paying what we do...and compete with 'shit' that's made in countries where they pay the workers a bowl of rice and $2.00 a week?

Beer? Hello...it's supposed to be cold. Also...a shitload of NZ beers have won awards in some of the worlds best comps.

[Zedder]

You don't seriously believe that shit our state sponsored media spouts. Better environment and lower crime rate....don't make me laugh.

I certainly believe it as do many other people (interesting that Crasher said it also) but here's something else for you to trash. It's a bit old but you did ask and we are trying to explain things to you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Scenery, swimming, snow, beer and wine (if you're lucky enough to be able to afford them)

However, I love NZ (warts and all)



Better environment and lower crime rate....don't make me laugh.

So what the fuck is it you like about it here? Make up your mind please. And I say fuck of if you don't like it to anyone. I'm assuming you're an import? That's why you took my fuck off comment as me being a redneck yeah?

[GrayWolf]

I didn't deny the low wage bit. What I do deny...is that NZ feels like a third world shithole (I know he didn't use that term). NZ is an incredible place to live. You don't have to earn millions to have a nice lifestyle. You can snowboard one day, swim in the sea the next. We have uncrowded roads to enjoy, a climate that's pretty bloody good and food/wine/beer second to none. Most of the world has been doing it tough in case you haven't noticed, and we're no different.

I know the answer. If you find living here so bad...fuck off.

I'd agree 110% with this,, I'm an 'import' of going on 22yrs... The UK which so many Kiwi's and Aussie's do the big OE to, is fucked.. it's become the 'resort' of the unemployed of Europe due to the agreements of the EEC and they can get the extremely good British Social services support (Dole etc). It's overpopulated, ruined industry (cars/b ikes heavy industry like ship building)... When I was a toolmaker, we were using still, equipment made in WW2 in the 1980's, good old British re-investment in the company. Massively high prices for housing compared to wages, yet in NZ house prices ARE bloody cheap, in fact the car prices compared against house prices are way higher as a percentage to the UK's. We as Crasher points out, can safely walk the streets at night, try being white and walk through Brixton at night in the 1980's. Mugging was so commonplace it didnt even make the 'front page section' of a newspaper, if reported was usually a small paragraph somewhere. Racism (Nat Front) skinheads. If you think that you are poor in NZ? Live in the UK and raise a family, buy a house (IF you can earn enough)......
You'll soon realise that in this case the grass in the other paddock (NZ) is bloody greener!!

[scracha]

It's not at all difficult to afford such things.

If you have a JOB. Seen the unemployment stats for under 25's? Of course it's all their own fault and they're all lazy.

And I think you'll find a lot of the youngins that did fuck off...are coming home now. But young people doing OE's is hardly a new or NZ only thing.

I think you're talking shite about them coming home...the stats say otherwise. Young people not coming back from their OE is a new thing.

And pension? Fucking bludger. Safe for it yourself.

My point being who's gonna wipe you and the other pensioners arse? Seen the population demographics lately? Every pensioner could have a couple of mill in the pension fund but it ain't gonna do them much good if nobody else is left.

Now...we should be making shit? Oh we could...but seeing as you and other experts go on about our low wages...how could we 'make shit' paying what we do...and compete with 'shit' that's made in countries where they pay the workers a bowl of rice and $2.00 a week?

We shouldn't be aiming to compete by taking part in a race to the bottom. We should be upskilling our workers and giving them more knowledge. There's clever cunts in this country....we should be using them more.
Why when I phone up call centre do I often find their call-center in Australia? Are the wages cheaper there? Do they speak better English?
Why when I buy a motorcycle or car it is often made in Japan, Western Europe or the States? Are the wages cheaper there? Do they have more metal, oil and other raw materials to make them from than us?
Why is our state owned Telco infrastructure company not upskilling its own employees to lay fibre instead of importing workers from the Philippines & Malaysia?

Beer? Hello...it's supposed to be cold. Also...a shitload of NZ beers have won awards in some of the worlds best comps.

It's like Coca Cola.....you have it super cold to hide the shit taste

You can made stats and awards say anything. Did you know that a shitload of NZ beers have won fuck all

[wasiler]

Be better with spark plugs, bigger market and less likely to be damaged.

Good point, however, since I would be a local business, to hell with the double the price stuff. I am going to triple it so no one can buy the stuff and ask for people to support my biz

[Robert Taylor]

I'd agree 110% with this,, I'm an 'import' of going on 22yrs... The UK which so many Kiwi's and Aussie's do the big OE to, is fucked.. it's become the 'resort' of the unemployed of Europe due to the agreements of the EEC and they can get the extremely good British Social services support (Dole etc). It's overpopulated, ruined industry (cars/b ikes heavy industry like ship building)... When I was a toolmaker, we were using still, equipment made in WW2 in the 1980's, good old British re-investment in the company. Massively high prices for housing compared to wages, yet in NZ house prices ARE bloody cheap, in fact the car prices compared against house prices are way higher as a percentage to the UK's. We as Crasher points out, can safely walk the streets at night, try being white and walk through Brixton at night in the 1980's. Mugging was so commonplace it didnt even make the 'front page section' of a newspaper, if reported was usually a small paragraph somewhere. Racism (Nat Front) skinheads. If you think that you are poor in NZ? Live in the UK and raise a family, buy a house (IF you can earn enough)......
You'll soon realise that in this case the grass in the other paddock (NZ) is bloody greener!!

Yes indeed the UK is knackered and probably now unfixable. The scary thing is it was on the right track until they elected Blair and that disaster of a chancellor of the exchequer. I saw Maggie on the Holmes eulogy on TV, bought a tear to my eye. I worked there in the early through mid 80s, got a job no problem because I was prepared to work. Loved the place.

[Robert Taylor]

Good point, however, since I would be a local business, to hell with the double the price stuff. I am going to triple it so no one can buy the stuff and ask for people to support my biz

You are being ridiculous, if you think all retailers / distributors are tarred with the same brush you are very much mistaken. Thats what bugs me about the idiot element on this forum, its an ''us and them'' mentality. Many of us in the industry are meeting the new realities, if not on outright price but on added value and after sales service. Let me tell you that its no walk in the park.

[scracha]

I certainly believe it as do many other people (interesting that Crasher said it also) but here's something else for you to trash. It's a bit old but you did ask and we are trying to explain things to you.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crim...ecdjan2012.pdf
Swings, roundabouts and it is "recorded crime" so it might all be bollox.

Still wouldn't want to live in Mexico though.

I saw Maggie on the Holmes eulogy on TV, bought a tear to my eye. I worked there in the early through mid 80s, got a job no problem because I was prepared to work. Loved the place.

Now who's being ridiculous? Thatcher is the major reason the UK is fucked.

Many of us in the industry are meeting the new realities, if not on outright price but on added value and after sales service. Let me tell you that its no walk in the park.

That I would totally agree with

[Ocean1]

Why is our state owned Telco infrastructure company not upskilling its own employees to lay fibre instead of importing workers from the Philippines & Malaysia?

Close to home, that one. The answer is they had a fairly good supply of Kiwi techs, they went out of their way to divide contracts geographically so that the Kiwis had to move to get work. At the same time they put undue pressure on wages and imported several hundred techs.

The details make for some sobering reading, but the upshot is you no longer have a good supply of Kiwi techs, they're all pumping gas, and most of the imports have gone back home.

Kiwi companies don't value their techies, they don't really know what they do.

[BoristheBiter]

Now who's being ridiculous? Thatcher is the major reason the UK is fucked.

No Joining the EU is the reason.

[AllanB]

Guess the Japanese need to start building interesting bikes again - too much ho-hum of the same thing for the past 4 -5 years. Build something exciting please.

[sugilite:Me]

Thank you. I would rather keep my money in NZ. But it is proving harder and harder to do.

I actually nearly bought my Sv1000 off Haldanes. After twice, at two different times, having to approach the old guy who does the sales. And being treated like a leper both times,
I bought it off Scott at Mr Motorcycles. No hassle there. Couldnt be more helpful.

And again when my partner was looking for a new Ducati. Poor service. Same guy, same place. She ended up with a Suzuki, from Scott also.

And then when I was looking at upgrading my Sv. No customer service at all.

Whilst I feel bad for Chris Haldane. Bad staff I am sure, helped with its demise.

NOOOOO, Haldanes closing down has nothing to do with their bad service to the point of losing out on up to 3 bike sales from you alone, or ignoring your request for a price on a pipe for your bike! No, it has everything to do with those dastardly accessory buying Neanderthals purchasing off the internet!

[BMWST?]

why is it we,as the greatest Dairy Nation on the planet as i am led to believe..............pay more for a litre of fucking milk,grown and processed here so to speak,than we do for a litre of gas,dug up ,refined then sent to our shores??????............somewhere in there is the answer why bike shops are going to be a thing of the past in my opinion

seen the price of water lately?

[BMWST?]

The point also, is that not many Bike shops, practice Customer services any more. Service almost seems to be a swear word. So why continue to support bad service? Would your business survive with bad service? if you ignored customers requests, no matter how ludicris, in your eyes they are?

At least a sod off, not interested, is communication. More than some businesses supply.

And where does that leave me? I have money to spend, but nothing to spend it on. Chances are that if I buy the System thats on Tard me, then I am supporting a foreign economy anyway?

I may as well buy it off TJ, and support a site sponsor, off another Forum...And another country

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