Lane splitting/filtering: the legal and commonsense answers

[Disco Dan]

Sorry dude, I'm into vagina.

Good move on keeping it, looks like she's a minter.

That's not what you told me last night

Cheers, amazed myself at what lengths I was prepared to go to in order to keep her.

PS, you know branet or whatever the frick he's called is complete troll ay?

[Madness]

PS, you know branet or whatever the frick he's called is complete troll ay?

Nah, he's real and a defender of freedom who wears a special lycra suit with a cape when he posts in this thread.

[FJRider]

My bike measures 1mtr at it's widest point, not alot of splitting/filtering going to had on that one would assume.

Come on ... whats the worst that can happen ...

[Voltaire]

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending to much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

I wonder if his 200 slaves agreed with this.....

[swbarnett]

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Let me distill all this angst to one question:

My mother-in-law was a teenager in the Netherlands during WWII. Her local community engaged in some pretty risky activity during that period. For example, the Germans would erect telephone poles all over the fields to catch parachuting allied spies; that night the people of the village would chop them down and turn them in to kindling. Thankfully there were no reprisals for this but, had there been, would you blame the villagers for taunting the occupiers or the Gestapo that ordered the firing squad?

[swbarnett]

I wonder if his 200 slaves agreed with this.....

I dare say they would have.

[Madness]

Let me distill all this angst to one question:

My mother-in-law was a teenager in the Netherlands during WWII. Her local community engaged in some pretty risky activity during that period. For example, the Germans would erect telephone poles all over the fields to catch parachuting allied spies; that night the people of the village would chop them down and turn them in to kindling. Thankfully there were no reprisals for this but, had there been, would you blame the villagers for taunting the occupiers or the Gestapo that ordered the firing squad?

I believe Godwins Law has been envoked in this thread already. Try to keep up,

Besides, what the fuck?

[swbarnett]

I believe Godwins Law has been envoked in this thread already. Try to keep up,

nah, I'd rather slow down a bit and avoid the mirrors. Actually, that's one thing I love about splitting past trucks - no way in hell I'm going to hit them, they're just too high.

Besides, what the fuck?

All I'm trying to say is that there is only one person responsible for a violent act - the person that perpetrated it. People that did something to piss them off in the past cannot be held responsible because we all have the free will to choose how we react to any given stimuli.

I used a WWII example to illustrate that blaiming anybody but the Gestapo would be to advocate collaborating with the occupiers.

[Maha]

Come on ... whats the worst that can happen ...

Twack someones mirrors?

[MIXONE]

Twack someones mirrors?

Fuck,then you would have to go back and apoligise profusely offering your first born in reparation.

[Katman]

All I'm trying to say is that there is only one person responsible for a violent act - the person that perpetrated it. People that did something to piss them off in the past cannot be held responsible because we all have the free will to choose how we react to any given stimuli.

Yeah, it's a sad reflection on society.

Too many people are happy to act however the fuck they like regardless of the impact on others (including pissing car drivers off by hitting wing mirrors) and yet those same people are very quick to wash their hands of any responsibility when their actions instigate dramas for an innocent party.

[Maha]

Fuck,then you would have to go back and apoligise profusely offering your first born in reparation.

I now carry little bits of paper with my email address so that I can hand it out in such a situation...
My first born is now 23 and she would probably kick the doors in as well....

[Voltaire]

Surely taking up a whole lane with a ton of steel for one person is just downright rude.....they should charge them by weight to use the road.

My new to me bike came to me with a Scotland flag on it....going to leave it there as Kiwis love tourists....

[swbarnett]

Yeah, it's a sad reflection on society.

Too many people are happy to act however the fuck they like regardless of the impact on others (including pissing car drivers off by hitting wing mirrors) and yet those same people are very quick to wash their hands of any responsibility when their actions instigate dramas for an innocent party.

While I agree that one must consider the concequences of one's actions, this can only be taken so far. Blaming a previous mirror clipper for a subsequent act is the same as saying that "speed was a factor". The mirror clip is one of many factors that may have contributed but it is at most a stressor; the primary factor is the state of mind of the driver. I agree that the previous mirror clip may form a part of the chain of events that leads to a violent act perpertrated on an innocent lane-splitter. However, to guarentee that no mirrors are clipped, ever, all lane-splitting must be ceased forthwith. Far better to put emphasis on the driver's state of mind. We exist, therefore we interact. That interaction wioll not always be positive. To quote another example: The way a girl dresses has been said in the past to be a factor in rape. This, quite rightly, has been denounced on numerous occasions. Only the rapist is responsible for their actions.

Notwithstanding the above I must also point out that I agree we should encourage new (or old) bikers to take ever precaution that is reasonable in any riding situation.

[Madness]

Notwithstanding the above I must also point out that I agree we should encourage new (or old) bikers to take ever precaution that is reasonable in any riding situation.

So now that you've compared other motorists to Nazis and rapists and the splitting biker has been aligned with the resistance movement in WW2 and an innocent young girl whose vagina smells of daffodils, you concede that people need to be careful. It's not about guaranteeing that no mirror is clipped ever again, that's just being silly. It's about the irresponsible mindset that so many lane-splitting bikers seem to hold; "no damage was done, it's only paint" - there's more to it than that. Bottom line is it's not your fucking mirror so don't fuck with it.

Tomorrows discussion: Not taking things too literally, it is the internet after all.