ANZACs and war and stuff

[Hinny]

It not only could, it does.

But if you surveyed the people responsible for providing opinion for an official investigation you’d find a high degree of relevant experience and a reputation for reliability in supplying expert opinion. In a survey of those typically pursuing conspiracy theories you'd find a prevalence of people that are into conspiracy theories.

So that rate of importance you mentioned has anyone predisposed to pursue conspiracy theories ranking well down the list of credible opinion compared to even a random selection of opinion, let alone those of a group selected for experience and reliability.

To the second part first.
The same applies to believers of the official conspiracy theory. Remembering that the official story is a conspiracy theory as well.
I believe you will find those people believe everything they are told by the media if the media says "Officials say..." or "a spokesman for the...says".
There are skeptics who question and there are those who believe without giving it a second thought.
And there are skeptics who don't question and don't give it a second thought.

From your experience and knowledge are you prepared to accept that damaging one corner of a building like the WTC tower could cause that corner to collapse and the diagonally opposite corner, on the other side of that massive tube of super strength steel columns, collapse at exactly the same time?
See, as a layman I say Bullshit.
As a layman I say if one floor collapsed onto the one below as say in the collapse of the Ak. motorway bridge or the CTV building collapse. The floors didn't explode. The concrete wasn't pulverised. The steel wasn't turned to dust. The Grand Chancellor building - when it came down were there vast pyroclastic clouds of dust?
If you see the video of the demo job gone wrong where a building becomes like a big ball and rolls across the countryside is in my opinion indicative of th3e strength of buildings. This one at 900,000 tons, with half of it falling outside of its footprint - doesn't slow down from go to whoa. The 52 inch by 22 inch by 4 inches thick box section columns -disappear?
Perfectly symmetrical demo field 1200 feet across. Not a building falling sideways, as one would expect because part of one corner got damaged.
They changed the story about how it collapsed because Larry wasn't going to get his insurance money with the first story. I say Bullshit to that as well.

[Hinny]

The "unofficial story" is that two plane loads of people were flown into the towers at speed and as a consequence the towers burnt and finally collapsed.
The whole world saw it on tv, live in the case of the second plane, and witnessed by thousands.
Even you must admit that this happened.
There is zero evidence of any "explosives" on any of the footage that I have seen.
I haven't heard a viable alternative to explain what happened.
Can you give us a synopsis of what you think happened and why? Your thoughts, not another link.
So far you seem to be just questioning everything? That is fair enough but then you must have an idea of what you think happened.

George Bush saw it before it was on TV!
Have you seen the video of the fighter flying in to the WTC tower? Did you believe that? Looked as believable as the first one to me! Didn't get to see it coming out the other side intact though I'm sure they could make it so.

Zero evidence of explosives! - Are your eyes painted on. Or perhaps you can explain the physics involved in the projectile expulsion of four ton steel beams 400 feet? or any of the projectile expulsion of material - the Pyroclastic clouds etc - from what? - the conversion of steel to dust has me bamboozled. The debris field was 1200 feet across. Symmetrical.
I'll have to stop riding my bike at one hundred and twenty five miles an hour because if I hit something the steel might turn to dust.

Some are stating they found nano thermite.

Have you been looking for viable alternatives?
What about the Russian nuclear experts view? Would that theory fly?

From what I have read the 911 truthers are not so much about making up conspiracy theories although I believe there are fourteen favoured ones! You could check them out for a bit of infotainment. The beauty of the connected world. Something they could not have envisaged when this happened. Caught out by technology.
The thing that interests me, and Jessie Ventura has mentioned this on numerous occasions, is the continuing refusal of the Govt. to answer questions. You are not allowed to ask.
The refusal to show their 'evidence' on the grounds of National Security. WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? Are they afraid the society will go into meltdown? Start a civil war? Can't have that - lets go start a war against some brown people somewhere instead.
Demo experts - of which there are reportedly few in the world capable of bringing down buildings this size state unequivocally that in their opinion they were controlled demolitions.

But it all doesn't matter because:
They won't tell the truth.
They have not altered their behaviour one jot. Look at the bullshit emanating from the White house about Syria and Iran.
Another false flag attempt - the alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian forces. They had to resile from their "let's roll" attitude as the UN inspectors showed they were used by the insurgents.
They won't stop and with Netanyahu cranking out the rhetoric and crap, which they appear to accept like true believers, they will once more pour fuel on the flames and generate more hatred, murder, misery and suffering.
A yankee friend once expounded on his theory of why Americans don't travel and one reason he said was "the whole world hates us".
Is it any wonder?

[Hinny]

It only indicates that the fire wasn't intense in the area they were in at that time

The towers were 207 feet wide! - approx 62 metres. not much room to hide a fire.
I think the fireman who looked in could not have been more than 20 metres from the fire. Possibly a hell of a lot closer.


and...
You are right - the fire wasn't intense. A fuel rich, diffuse flame fire - estimated temperature 750-800 degrees max.

The account of the first of your Pentagon eye witnesses made me laugh.

'..he felt the blast of the explosion. "It shot me back in my chair. There was a huge blast. I could feel the shock wave of it. I said This isn't right. Something's wrong here."

.... and this guy is a speech writer!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'll have to stop riding my bike at one hundred and twenty five miles an hour because if I hit something the steel might turn to dust.

Do you weight the same as a fuel laden 767?

[Kickaha]

As a layman I say if one floor collapsed onto the one below as say in the collapse of the Ak. motorway bridge or the CTV building collapse. The floors didn't explode. The concrete wasn't pulverised. The steel wasn't turned to dust.

The steel wasn't turned to dust in the WTC building either

As a layman there seems to be a bit of a size difference in those buildings, perhaps if the CTV building was as tall as the WTC the result may have been different
https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/911NutPhysics1.HTM

The Grand Chancellor building - when it came down were there vast pyroclastic clouds of dust?

No there wasn't, mainly because it was demolished floor by floor using machinery, second time you've got that wrong, makes me wonder how much else you've fucked up

The account of the first of your Pentagon eye witnesses made me laugh.

'..he felt the blast of the explosion. "It shot me back in my chair. There was a huge blast. I could feel the shock wave of it. I said This isn't right. Something's wrong here."

.... and this guy is a speech writer!

Of course it'd make you laugh because you're not interested in any other explanation than it was a conspiracy and that all these people are in on it

[Laava]

George Bush saw it before it was on TV!
Have you seen the video of the fighter flying in to the WTC tower? Did you believe that? Looked as believable as the first one to me! Didn't get to see it coming out the other side intact though I'm sure they could make it so.

Zero evidence of explosives! - Are your eyes painted on. Or perhaps you can explain the physics involved in the projectile expulsion of four ton steel beams 400 feet? or any of the projectile expulsion of material - the Pyroclastic clouds etc - from what? - the conversion of steel to dust has me bamboozled. The debris field was 1200 feet across. Symmetrical.
I'll have to stop riding my bike at one hundred and twenty five miles an hour because if I hit something the steel might turn to dust.

Some are stating they found nano thermite.

Have you been looking for viable alternatives?
What about the Russian nuclear experts view? Would that theory fly?

From what I have read the 911 truthers are not so much about making up conspiracy theories although I believe there are fourteen favoured ones! You could check them out for a bit of infotainment. The beauty of the connected world. Something they could not have envisaged when this happened. Caught out by technology.
The thing that interests me, and Jessie Ventura has mentioned this on numerous occasions, is the continuing refusal of the Govt. to answer questions. You are not allowed to ask.
The refusal to show their 'evidence' on the grounds of National Security. WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? Are they afraid the society will go into meltdown? Start a civil war? Can't have that - lets go start a war against some brown people somewhere instead.
Demo experts - of which there are reportedly few in the world capable of bringing down buildings this size state unequivocally that in their opinion they were controlled demolitions.

But it all doesn't matter because:
They won't tell the truth.
They have not altered their behaviour one jot. Look at the bullshit emanating from the White house about Syria and Iran.
Another false flag attempt - the alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian forces. They had to resile from their "let's roll" attitude as the UN inspectors showed they were used by the insurgents.
They won't stop and with Netanyahu cranking out the rhetoric and crap, which they appear to accept like true believers, they will once more pour fuel on the flames and generate more hatred, murder, misery and suffering.
A yankee friend once expounded on his theory of why Americans don't travel and one reason he said was "the whole world hates us".
Is it any wonder?

You have so much shit in your head you don't know what to think.
You forgot to mention Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, JFKs assasination etc in your little diatribe.

[Katman]

Regarding the collapse of the South Tower, you can see it begins with a collapse at the corner the plane hit.

At that point the whole top section starts to tip over towards that corner.

From a layman's point of view, surely as this was happening, the load bearing down on the opposing corner would have been massively reduced allowing the structure to support it's own weight. A process like that would not be reversible and you would expect the top section to continue toppling out over that south-west corner while the collapse of the north-east corner would stop.

[oneofsix]

Regarding the collapse of the South Tower, you can see it begins with a collapse at the corner the plane hit.

At that point the whole top section starts to tip over towards that corner.

From a layman's point of view, surely as this was happening, the load bearing down on the opposing corner would have been massively reduced allowing the structure to support it's own weight. A process like that would not be reversible and you would expect the top section to continue toppling out over that south-west corner while the collapse of the north-east corner would stop.

What? Have you given up on building 6? Are you losing your touch? I know you already know why the your troll on the south tower doesn't work as it was discussed pages ago but I am sure you will get some real bytes.
Still amuses me that this thread isn't in pink hell.

[Katman]

What? Have you given up on building 6? Are you losing your touch? I know you already know why the your troll on the south tower doesn't work as it was discussed pages ago but I am sure you will get some real bytes.
Still amuses me that this thread isn't in pink hell.

Who has ever mentioned building 6?

I don't think the nature of the South Tower's collapse has been discussed in this thread.

Care to point out where you think it has?

[Katman]

You forgot to mention Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, JFKs assasination etc in your little diatribe.

Don't forget Martin Luther King.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassi...uther_King,_Jr.

[Trade_nancy]

You should probably read over the previous 1000 (or so) posts to get a few answers.

Saves us having to do the work for you.

I have - I was trying to end the pain.
PS: New Conspiracy alert for you Katman - the US govt staged the Canterbury earthquake just so the American insurance industry could come back to us this year and put our prices up.

[oneofsix]

Who has ever mentioned building 6?

I don't think the nature of the South Tower's collapse has been discussed in this thread.

Care to point out where you think it has?

Seven was it. Shows just how bored I've got with this. As stated the most amusing thing about this thread is that it isn't in pink hell already.

South tower, North tower, seven, BNZ (now State) all constructed the same and that has been discussed.

[oneofsix]

Here is a new one for you http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/america...ight-800-probe

[Katman]

South tower, North tower, seven, BNZ (now State) all constructed the same and that has been discussed.

I'm talking about the nature of the collapse of the South Tower - not the nature of it's construction.

[Hinny]

No there wasn't, mainly because it was demolished floor by floor using machinery, second time you've got that wrong, makes me wonder how much else you've fucked up





Of course it'd make you laugh because you're not interested in any other explanation than it was a conspiracy and that all these people are in on it

My bad. I meant Radio Network House.

The reason it made me laugh, and several of the other eye witness accounts is the language that they used.
Some people have differing senses of humour to others I suppose.

Oh, I see another thing I got wrong.
According to USA Today the fire wasn't a cool fire at all. They state it burned at 2000 degrees.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/graph...apse/flash.htm
I made the mistake of quoting 'experts'.
Obviously the type where 'x' is an unknown quantity and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure.