David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[Drew]

jews did it.

I did fuckin not cunt!

[Madness]

What I find interesting is the typical KB way some members completely ignore relevant posts such as Meteor's post #41.

How is that post relevant considering there is no mention of the new evidence that has come to light and is merely re-hashing evidence that has been analysed repeatedly yet has failed to keep David Bain in prison? Hardly relevant at all, innit?

I also note that many of those very same members support the conspiracy views on the other threads.

Try to stay on topic Ed (ya big troll).

"If it's anti Police, anti Govt. then it must be right by default, never mind any evidence to the contrary."

What's the bet none of them will answer Meteor's post?

There's no point in disagreeing with a copper, unless of course you find yourself wrongly convicted of multiple murders.

Having been a cop in England for 14 years...

Bent as a banana no doubt.

[Edbear]

On the contrary Ed.

I find it interesting that many in this thread seem to be very selective of what stories they're prepared to question.

13 years in the clink, bet he's not laughing that fucken hard.

That's quite hypocritical there Ed. You choose not to try and see anyone else' point, as much as the next guy as far as I can see....(yeah yeah, I'm a hypocrite too).

His profession, or us?

How is that post relevant considering there is no mention of the new evidence that has come to light and is merely re-hashing evidence that has been analysed repeatedly yet has failed to keep David Bain in prison? Hardly relevant at all, innit?



Try to stay on topic Ed (ya big troll).



There's no point in disagreeing with a copper, unless of course you find yourself wrongly convicted of multiple murders.



Bent as a banana no doubt.

I think the points raised in Meteor's post are extremenly relevant and any "new" evidence must be able to be set against known facts. If the courts only ever considered one piece of evidence that seemed legit and ignored other compelling evidence we would have trial by KB.

So if the marks on his finger are relevant, how does that go against the other evidence as per Meteor's post?

To get a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, all the evidence, taken in context must point to the same person or be attributable to that person. Meteor's post raised questions that cannot be ignored or dismissed.

[Katman]

To get a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, all the evidence, taken in context must point to the same person or be attributable to that person. Meteor's post raised questions that cannot be ignored or dismissed.

Do you really think that the Court of Appeal would order a retrial, and then that retrial return a Not Guilty verdict, if there wasn't reasonable doubt?

[Edbear]

Do you really think that the Court of Appeal would order a retrial, and then that retrial return a Not Guilty verdict, if there wasn't reasonable doubt?

Certainly in the case of Robin Bain, how could he be possibly convicted on all the evidence available?

I'll have to refresh my memory on the reason for David being aquitted unless someone can post a link to the case? If there was not enough evidence to get a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, and for the Privy Council to squash his conviction and order a retrial, was it because the evidence said he was innocent, or was it for matters of procedure and technicalities of law?

Considering ALL the evidence we have access to, balance of such would say David was guilty. We hear a lot of how Joe Karam claims David is innocent but have we got access to the actual evidence for him saying that?

I have not seen anyone put up all the evidence point by point against that in Meteor's post in dispute of it.

[Madness]

So if the marks on his finger are relevant, how does that go against the other evidence as per Meteor's post?

If Meteor's post is relevant, how does it go against the new evidence that this thread is about?

Meteor's post raised questions that cannot be ignored or dismissed.

Actually, his entire post can quite easily be ignored.

Back on topic hey?

[Maha]

Did somebody say you could fit 19 shells in the one 10 shot mag?

I must have missed that post...


And why worry who counted the shells?

And why can't you tell me how many shots ended up in each victim??

The shell count is relevant because it proves the shooter had to reload, and the marks on Robins thumb bolster that very point.
I think only one (Steven) took two shots and one bullet on the floor, about half the bullet count (or just under) were left where they (the bullets) fell.

Even with the test firing of the rifle on the programme last night, the jamming was significant, particularly with the 10 shot mag.

[scumdog]

The shell count is relevant because it proves the shooter had to reload, and the marks on Robins thumb bolster that very point.
I think only one (Steven) took two shots and one bullet on the floor, about half the bullet count (or just under) were left where they (the bullets) fell.

Even with the test firing of the rifle on the programme last night, the jamming was significant, particularly with the 10 shot mag.

It always fired the 1st shot OK.
And only Steven (from memory) really realised what was coming.

I wonder why two mags needed?

Anyhoo, the marks on Robins thumb are a red herring.

[Maha]

Anyhoo, the marks on Robins thumb are a red herring.

Sounds fishy....

[Madness]

Anyhoo, the marks on Robins thumb are a red herring.

You're good! You should be in persecutions prosecutions.

[Road kill]

giving the level of forensic handling the showed you might succeed too but somehow I suspect that even our know the difference between wiped on GSR and and GSR deposits.

Another one that obviously didn't watch the programme

Bet they fucken don't.

I did watch the program,I'm just not convinced an never have been.

[sugilite:Me]

What I find interesting is the typical KB way some members completely ignore relevant posts such as Meteor's post #41.

Ahem, what about the other relevant 98 posts. (and counting)
Relevance is in the eye of the beholder. Annoying as that may be.

[Banditbandit]

I just can't contort my mind through the hoops required to believe David isn't guilty beyond reasonable doubt, never mind balance of probability.

Never mind ... I do understand ... there are still people, after all, who believe the world is flat ...

[Banditbandit]

19 'shells'.
How many were fired?

How many times did he have to shoot each person?

Even with jams the one 10-shot mag have done the trick.

There was more than one shot in each body ... and more than two in some ... and a few unfired catridges on the floor ... I am sure you can find the information on the interdweb as well as I can .. do you think we keep such information floating around inour brains ...

If you weatch the programme that will tell you too ...

How many times do you have to shoot a person with a 22 to kill them? That depends on wher you hit them ...

[Banditbandit]

What I find interesting is the typical KB way some members completely ignore relevant posts such as Meteor's post #41. I also note that many of those very same members support the conspiracy views on the other threads.

"If it's anti Police, anti Govt. then it must be right by default, never mind any evidence to the contrary."

What's the bet none of them will answer Meteor's post?

My answer to Meteer's post is that this new evidence proves Robin Bain fired the gun that morning. That completely over rides any other circumstantial evidence.