Occupy Kiwi Biker Movement

[unstuck]

A certain amount of poverty is caused by lazy-arse not wanting to get off their butt and contribute/do anything.

Any society is going to have those.

Holding their hand out constantly expecting 'somebody' to give them what they need. (want?)

Thats why I personally believe a system that is based around educating people about life and the way to get the best out of it, would be more beneficial than making a war on the people in the financial sector.

[unstuck]

So when did you find your faith?

Faith in what?

[bogan]

Waddaya mean no checks? Who said anything about no checks? Ohhhhhhh I see, you're correlating the motivational factor for going to work is money and deciding that without it no one would work. People's motivations change and it would seem a little false to write off what they are capable of because you don't see how they could ever do anything that wasn't for themselves. You have been taught well. In the current system it also drives people to murder and commit violent crimes... but I guess that's ok huh?

You asked me if there were wizards, I said yes and defined what a wizard was.

I can see why it would look that way, but it was meant as effort that they put in outwith food production. My bad.

You didn't read the links did you, coz at least one of those questions is answered. if you're above to bail from NZ, who is going to buy your shit so that you can leave with money and start afresh in a brave old world?

I mean who decides who is entitled to what? As I understand it its the consumer only. I'm not saying nobody would work, but that if those on the over-entitled or lazy arse side of the scales start to outweigh things, there is nothing in place but your faith in wizards to prent that.

I don't recall that, I'm pretty sure I just started calling your system a wbe because it needs wizard magic to ensure all the gaping holes in the plan don't tear it apart.

'effort that they put in outwith food production' yeh, you're going to have to try again with that sentence...

I tried to read that drivel in your links, but I just couldn't, my bullshit allergies flared up too much.

[mashman]

Faith in what?

Sorry... when did you finally come to understand the power of quantum mechanics and the benefits it yields?

I mean who decides who is entitled to what? As I understand it its the consumer only. I'm not saying nobody would work, but that if those on the over-entitled or lazy arse side of the scales start to outweigh things, there is nothing in place but your faith in wizards to prent that.

and the fest

It's all there to be used. People will have to exercise personal responsibility else we end up back with a financial system.

[unstuck]

Sorry... when did you finally come to understand the power of quantum mechanics and the benefits it yields?.

Heard about it about 12yrs ago, started to understand it and apply it, maybe 5 yrs ago.

[mashman]

Heard about it about 12yrs ago, started to understand it and apply it, maybe 5 yrs ago.

So you were 59 when you first started and yet you still get busted

[bogan]

It's all there to be used. People will have to exercise personal responsibility else we end up back with a financial system.

So if the wizards fail you, you shall go back to the financial system. Since wizards don't exist, the financial system is the only logical conclusion. And with that masterful chain of logic, I may have just saved you years of drivel spouting, you're welcome

[unstuck]

So you were 59 when you first started and yet you still get busted

Dont know where the 59 comes from?
I think I secretly wanted to get busted in a way, I have learnt a lot in the last few months, mainly to do with who my mates are. But there has been a lot of good happening for me too with all that, so thats where most of my focus has been. So I am choosing to see it as a learning curve, and reset my priorities. Thats the wonderful thing about contrast, you have to know what you dont want, in order to know what you do want.

[mashman]

So if the wizards fail you, you shall go back to the financial system. Since wizards don't exist, the financial system is the only logical conclusion. And with that masterful chain of logic, I may have just saved you years of drivel spouting, you're welcome

ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... in ways I wish it were that easy to go back, but that ain't gonna happen. My wizards are just people who have the knowledge to make society function like magic... in fact a lot of them will be the very same people who have kicked the shit out of the financial system. Whether they'd take up the challenge or not is another matter.

[unstuck]

Since wizards don't exist,

A friend of mine is a wizard, well thats what he calls himself. He is a Reiki teacher and healer. But they call themselves wizards.

[bogan]

ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... in ways I wish it were that easy to go back, but that ain't gonna happen. My wizards are just people who have the knowledge to make society function like magic... in fact a lot of them will be the very same people who have kicked the shit out of the financial system. Whether they'd take up the challenge or not is another matter.

your society depends on the changing of the mindset of the masses, aint nothing but a real wizard going to achieve that

[mashman]

Dont know where the 59 comes from?
I think I secretly wanted to get busted in a way, I have learnt a lot in the last few months, mainly to do with who my mates are. But there has been a lot of good happening for me too with all that, so thats where most of my focus has been. So I am choosing to see it as a learning curve, and reset my priorities. Thats the wonderful thing about contrast, you have to know what you dont want, in order to know what you do want.

Asshat figure I think they call it.
heh... sounds vaguely familiar. I lived with what I didn't know I didn't want until I figured out what I did want. I guess it's selfish of me to want a system where no one is hindered and where as much of everything is done for everyone instead of a small boys club.

[mashman]

your society depends on the changing of the mindset of the masses, aint nothing but a real wizard going to achieve that

It depends on people making a decision, they don't have to change their mindset.

[Ocean1]

You've had your 2000+ years. You've failed billions of people who are in poverty.

Yeah? The facts don't agree. As usual with you. Start with the fact that almost every single quality of life indicator, starting with infant mortality and ending with expected lifespan is massively better than at any previous time in that 2000 years. None of the facts agree with you're spectacularly distorted bullshit.

There simply aren't enough jobs, let alone well paying ones. Yet you call performance related pay.

Drivel. The very first requisite for mutual understanding is coherency. You don't have it. Speak fucking England.

[unstuck]

Asshat figure I think they call it.
heh... sounds vaguely familiar. I lived with what I didn't know I didn't want until I figured out what I did want. I guess it's selfish of me to want a system where no one is hindered and where as much of everything is done for everyone instead of a small boys club.

I think it is good to be selfish, as in making sure you are the priority in your life. Because if you are not right within yourself, your not going to be any good to anyone else.