Stupid World

[mashman]

Egypt increases security before pro-Morsi protests

"Meanwhile, the Egyptian government has begun deliberations on whether to ban the Brotherhood, a long-outlawed organization that swept to power in the country's first democratic elections a year ago"

So they were voted in, yet they should be outlawed? Just in case it happens again I guess. But this wasn't a military coup? So why did they remove a democratically elected government? Aye, democracy, brought to you by the US just so long as you adhere to the terms and conditions... or indeed aren't a Muslim govt it would seem.

[SPman]

Morsi was twat and his government weren't amenable to reason, but they were still the democratically elected gov, as you say. So democracy has failed for the poor masses...so....back to the tried and true rule of the AK47 it seems. What back country islam leaning peasant is going to trust the ballot box again.
On another matter closer to home - how many realise this thing is set to be slipped through....

The other spy bill II

While attention is focused on the GCSB Bill, John Key's other spy bill, the Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Bill is currently before select committee. The bill updates the Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Act 2004, which requires "telecommunications providers" to have built-in interception capability for police and spies. But it goes further than that, requiring ISPs to register with police like printing presses in pre-Enlightenment monarchies and giving the GCSB power to micromanage individual ISPs procurement decisions. More importantly, it allows them to require that internet services, such as Gmail, Dropbox, or any other website, also provide interception capability. And apparently the government is planning to impose this requirement in secret:

Para 104 of the December 2012 "Technical Paper: Telecommunications Interception Capability and Network Security" by MBIE (page 19 of the combined document); para 109 of the paper to the Cabinet Committee on Domestic and External Security Coordination (page 62); and para 37 of the Cabinet paper (page 74) all confirm the same thing:

A Ministerial directive will be used to secretly/confidentially impose an obligation to create interception capabilities by individually named service providers (referred to as "deem-in" but what I call a backdoor) "so as not to publicly announce a lack of capability in a particular service."

The Government is therefore going to be using secret orders to specific service providers directing the creation of interception capability, allowing real-time access by surveillance agencies

(The documents referred to are here)

So, its not enough for John Key to have the capability to spy on all your domestically sent emails and phone calls, he also wants to prevent you from being able to take any steps to protect your privacy. And while he says this will only be to "protect" us, overseas we've seen where this inevitably leads: to pervasive spying on whistleblowers, journalists, and others who expose wrongdoing by the bureaucracy and the government of the day.

Microsoft has already threatened to leave the country in response to TICS, and they'd be wise to. but the real victims will be our small internet startups, whose services will be spook-compromised from the outset, and thus unmarketable overseas. The cost of this law may well be to strangle our internet industry, making us even more reliant on (poisoned) milk.

[mashman]

Morsi was twat and his government weren't amenable to reason, but they were still the democratically elected gov, as you say. So democracy has failed for the poor masses...so....back to the tried and true rule of the AK47 it seems. What back country islam leaning peasant is going to trust the ballot box again.
On another matter closer to home - how many realise this thing is set to be slipped through....

The other spy bill II

They're all twats.

Put yer tin foil hat away. It IS for our own good. Freedom is overrated and should be actively discouraged and actively prosecuted. Running scared springs to mind. A bunch of chickenshit white muthafuckas running the world and all worried that their position in life is threatened by those who simply are not worthy of their consideration. It brings a smile to my face. Today, it's a bring on the meteors, volcanoes, earthquakes, karma day.

[Brian d marge]

these are the biggest twat

its an oldie , but worth watching .....

In the middle of watching,all I can think is...money is worthless

Stephen

[mashman]

these are the biggest twat

its an oldie , but worth watching .....

In the middle of watching,all I can think is...money is worthless

Stephen

I nearly wee'd when one guy excused greed as the enthusiasm for earning more money (likely not "wrong", but never heard it put that way before). Money is bad

[avgas]

[Brian d marge]

sorry has to go here

I knew they were dodgy ,but ,,,,, worth a watch , as it does happen here, and in NZ

Watch the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves

Stephen

[mashman]

Britain forced Guardian to destroy copy of Snowden material... Spies not happy at being spied upon... diddums.

[mashman]

sorry has to go here

I knew they were dodgy ,but ,,,,, worth a watch , as it does happen here, and in NZ

Watch the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves

Stephen

I wonder if the prices change on the day the CPI guy comes around? I guess they're all fighting for an ever dwindling pot of cash. Can't wait til things are too expensive, then perhaps people will start asking real questions about how we live.

[Brian d marge]

Step one of the "new world order"

make 4 gallons of Peapod wine

Step 2 ......grow veges in my garden and make a KILLER chiili sauce ( mad dog 357 and some )

Step 3 ...... might have to wait ,

Stephen

[avgas]

heh - has been happening for years. Many ago I read a study about "budget food in NZ".
Turns out that Pack-and-Saves annual marketing budget was EXACTLY the same as Foodtown etc. Butget/Pams packaging etc cost MORE that other brands.

To put things in perspective. Average paid amount for Avocado is $0.20 to the orchardist. They are not individually wrapped. Boxing costs are $0.01 per unit. Transportation costs, and cool store costs are near the same (for local produce). This paid amount has not increased in 17 years. Yet I have never seen one in a supermarket less than 1 dollar. Meaning 400+% mark up is OK.

Kiwifruit (green) is a couple of dollars per tray (36). This price changes frequently. But is determined by the only supplier in NZ - Zespri NZ. To put this in comparison - Fonterra whom is the primary supplier of milk in NZ returns on average 20-30% of revenue to farmers. Zespri which runs a similar model to Fonterra returns 5-7%.
97% is claimed as "expenses".

My friends in USA can buy NZ Green Kiwifruit 1/10th the price I can.......and anyone who claims economy of scale I can show you how export prices counterweight EOS.

[carbonhed]

Britain forced Guardian to destroy copy of Snowden material... Spies not happy at being spied upon... diddums.

Seems like it's all a bit more complex than that.

http://unfashionista.com/2013/08/19/...-short-primer/

[mashman]

Seems like it's all a bit more complex than that.

http://unfashionista.com/2013/08/19/...-short-primer/

My statement still stands in regards to spies not liking to be spied upon and your article highlights that even further. One mans freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

[Ocean1]

heh - has been happening for years. Many ago I read a study about "budget food in NZ".

I like it that farmers markets have sorta taken off over the last decade or so. I used to use the one down at the riverbank carpark when we lived closer, whether they were cheaper or not.

[blue rider]

heh - has been happening for years. Many ago I read a study about "budget food in NZ".
Turns out that Pack-and-Saves annual marketing budget was EXACTLY the same as Foodtown etc. Butget/Pams packaging etc cost MORE that other brands.

To put things in perspective. Average paid amount for Avocado is $0.20 to the orchardist. They are not individually wrapped. Boxing costs are $0.01 per unit. Transportation costs, and cool store costs are near the same (for local produce). This paid amount has not increased in 17 years. Yet I have never seen one in a supermarket less than 1 dollar. Meaning 400+% mark up is OK.

Kiwifruit (green) is a couple of dollars per tray (36). This price changes frequently. But is determined by the only supplier in NZ - Zespri NZ. To put this in comparison - Fonterra whom is the primary supplier of milk in NZ returns on average 20-30% of revenue to farmers. Zespri which runs a similar model to Fonterra returns 5-7%.
97% is claimed as "expenses".

My friends in USA can buy NZ Green Kiwifruit 1/10th the price I can.......and anyone who claims economy of scale I can show you how export prices counterweight EOS.

last time in germany, three years ago, 1 kg of nz kiwis 0.79 euro dollar. nz lamb leg whole 7.99 euro, litre of nz milk 0.79 euro.

i miss aldi. i do.