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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    That's good. Very good.

    But how does overfilling them cause the pump to, (presumably) hydraulic lock if there's a functional relief valve in line?
    The relief valve would be completely submerged in an over full situation, too much case pressure and it wouldn't work.

    The info came from the mechanic on Nick Cole's superbike, Scott I think his name is. Kawasaki mechanic who has seen it many times, I'm gonna take his word for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    That's good. Very good.

    But how does overfilling them cause the pump to, (presumably) hydraulic lock if there's a functional relief valve in line?
    i would guess that with the shallow sump and std oil quantity, the relief valve is below oil level - or underwater if you like...
    that would raise the blowoff pressure quite a bit I'd think.

    put the valve on a right angle elbow so it lies horizontal.....or on your next build, drill and tap into the passage from above.

    Geeze drew, the ways you find to break things....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    i would guess that with the shallow sump and std oil quantity, the relief valve is below oil level - or underwater if you like...
    that would raise the blowoff pressure quite a bit I'd think.

    put the valve on a right angle elbow so it lies horizontal.....or on your next build, drill and tap into the passage from above.

    Geeze drew, the ways you find to break things....
    Now that I understand it, (thanks for confirming), it seems the sump needs to come off again fuck it all. The area under the valve doesn't have fuck all in the way of drainage. So level aside, it's always submerged once it has opened at all.

    Fuck my fucking life!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    put the valve on a right angle elbow so it lies horizontal....
    Thats how our far superior GSXR engine has it, but it'd still be submerged
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Now that I understand it, (thanks for confirming), it seems the sump needs to come off again fuck it all. The area under the valve doesn't have fuck all in the way of drainage. So level aside, it's always submerged once it has opened at all.

    Fuck my fucking life!!!
    You seem to be doing well in that line yourself thanks....

    If you're pulling the sump, have a look at simply putting the valve on a U bend to get it above the waterline. from memory, there should be room there. Quick and dirty....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Thats how our far superior GSXR engine has it, but it'd still be submerged
    I'm guessing the oil pump is driven off the back of the clutch like Suzukis have for decades....VERY hard to break that drive...

    The big kawas use a smallish shaft and usually an Oldham type coupling which is easy to break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    You seem to be doing well in that line yourself thanks....

    If you're pulling the sump, have a look at simply putting the valve on a U bend to get it above the waterline. from memory, there should be room there. Quick and dirty....
    Hmmm, we don't have access to the engineering shop at the moment. Al's work is closed up till nearly February.

    FOR FUCK SAKES this fucking thing is starting to give me the fucking shits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Hmmm, we don't have access to the engineering shop at the moment. Al's work is closed up till nearly February.
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    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    i would guess that with the shallow sump and std oil quantity, the relief valve is below oil level - or underwater if you like...
    that would raise the blowoff pressure quite a bit I'd think.
    So the downstream side, the spring side of the valve isn't draining back to sump? Is a standard poppet valve?

    Struggling to see how a high oil level can cause that, but I'm not familiar with the engine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Now that I understand it, (thanks for confirming), it seems the sump needs to come off again fuck it all. The area under the valve doesn't have fuck all in the way of drainage. So level aside, it's always submerged once it has opened at all.

    Fuck my fucking life!!!
    Not saying what my record is, but you're nowhere near it. You can sleep when you're dead.
    Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodrog View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip,Agip, Agip,Agip.
    What exactly are you trying to say Kick????
    Is it still beastiality if ya fuck a frozen chicken??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Hmmm, we don't have access to the engineering shop at the moment. Al's work is closed up till nearly February.

    FOR FUCK SAKES this fucking thing is starting to give me the fucking shits!
    What do you need? I have a bit of space, some machine tools.
    Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon

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    I need to have another look at a standard sump. It could be that it doesn't normally drain out the bottom of the cup where the valve is suspended. If that's the case, (no pun intended) then we're still good to go and will make a U bend when we get back up here as a precaution.

    Gonna be mounting that fucking oil light higher and more in the way as soon as we get the thing out of the truck though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    I like kittens....
    Just for you a kitten pic then
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    What do you need? I have a bit of space, some machine tools.
    180 bend in a piece of tube, with I think about an M12fine thread tapped in one end, and cut onto the other.

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