Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway? (2 January)

[FJRider]

Was just thinking the guys motto did not make sense just like the claim of poster 2 in this thread but if you believe otherwise do so at your own peril sport.

The key word in the motto is smoother ... and (like it or not) smooth riding is automatically faster. It is then easier, as there is less stress on you .... and your bike. Better average speeds mean better fuel consumption and safer with fewer erratic lines taken. (even on unfamiliar roads)

The biggest win for you in doing such courses ... is increased confidence in your own riding ability.

I very much doubt at any time ... such courses (or their organizers) actually encourage any exceeding of any posted speed limit. Or ... ride in any manner you may deem dangerous at the time ...

[pritch]

The key word in the motto is smoother ...

Always, at all levels right to the top. At beginner level if you haven't learned to be smooth you will be in trouble when it starts to rain.
GP riders spend a lot of time on the edge and any rough treatment of the bike will bite them hard.

We should all aspire to ride smoother.

Sorry, I'm still missing Cassina's comments but that's OK. Actually it's very restful.

[TheDemonLord]

I have heard of Flogging a Dead Horse,

But this is like Flogging a Steak

[FJRider]

... But this is like Flogging a Steak

It's called "Tenderizing" ...

[TheDemonLord]

It's called "Tenderizing" ...

Well then....

Medium Rare with a Side of Fries then....

[Kickaha]

Well then....

Medium Rare with a Side of Fries then....

And garlic butter

[bogan]

My debate has been to do with the claim that is is possible to be safe while going fast. I believe there is a trade off due to having a reduced stopping distance if shit happens but if others think going to a riding school proves otherwise good luck to them. As for fuel consumption traffic density can play a part there too if you have to do a lot of stops and starts prohibiting a smooth ride too.

[Berries]

My debate has been to do with the claim that is is possible to be safe while going fast. I believe there is a trade off due to having a reduced stopping distance if shit happens

Not one person on here would disagree with the last statement. We all know that the faster you go the less reaction time you have, the more inertia you have to get rid of, etc etc etc. Where you lose me and likely a few others is this link between fast and safe. Can you define either? Fast is as fast as fast is. 10km/h is fast, so is 50, so is 150km/h. Safe is not crashing. You can not crash at 10km/h, you can not crash at 150km/h. You can crash at both speeds, you can be safe at both speeds. The link between the two is not as clear cut as you keep implying.

[FJRider]

My debate has been to do with the claim that is is possible to be safe while going fast. I believe there is a trade off due to having a reduced stopping distance if shit happens but if others think going to a riding school proves otherwise good luck to them. As for fuel consumption traffic density can play a part there too if you have to do a lot of stops and starts prohibiting a smooth ride too.

This thread is about an Orange Street Triple on the Akaroa Highway ... and each of us that has at any time, been over that highway ... will have a different opinion on what could be deemed "Fast" for that road .... !!

Depending on the riders experience/skill, and the bike being ridden ... what could be seen as a fast speed ... will vary considerably. Possibly even ... being fast for the usual speed for that road ... but within the posted speed limit. But safe for THAT rider

It seems obvious that the rider of the Orange Street Triple has the skills (and the bike) to do the job. (No deaths or complaints reported)

Also ... It seems (to me) to be obvious that you (on your bike) could not ride that highway at the pace of the rider on the Orange Street Triple (in safety). It may pay not to be quite so vocal on others safety ... if they travel "fast" on any road you deem unsafe to do (on your bike) ...

As for "Traffic Density" ... no mention of any other traffic ... than the two vehicles mentioned in the first post. That of the OP's ... and the Orange Street Triple.

Smoothness ... even in heavy traffic is possible ... and plays an important part in being safe.

[FJRider]

Might have to take the 'Busa over the hill to Akaroa tomorrow, should be a bit more challenging now I'm allowed to wind it up to 110 now instead of 104, I'll pull over if I see something orange in my mirrors

As I understand ... the Akaroa cop has a distaste for motorcycles traveling at speed on that road. And as the law clearly states ... speeds over 100 km/hr IS illegal ... even for 1 km/hr over.

On that road (in places) ... the ticket may even get a dangerous tag with it ... with the comment from the cop .. to complain to the judge if you want to argue it.

[bogan]

Post number 1 was not talking about the rider going around a supermarket carpark but on the open road so it would not be 10km an hr or 50km/hr now would it??. If you go back to my earlier posts I said about speed being less safe the faster you go which you do appear to agree with as there is a reduction in stopping time eh.

[Berries]

Post number 1 was not talking about the rider going around a supermarket carpark but on the open road so it would not be 10km an hr or 50km/hr now would it??.

No idea, post number one didn't define a speed.

[tbs]

You know, I'm feeling rather pleased with myself for winding this back up for at least another page.

Cassina, what would you consider to be a dangerous speed for a rider on a Speed Triple on a dry road with good visibility to enter a bend with a suggested speed sign showing 70?

Based on an earlier comment I'm genuinely curious.

[Robbo]

Post number 1 was not talking about the rider going around a supermarket carpark but on the open road so it would not be 10km an hr or 50km/hr now would it??. If you go back to my earlier posts I said about speed being less safe the faster you go which you do appear to agree with as there is a reduction in stopping time eh.

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[FJRider]

Post number 1 was not talking about the rider going around a supermarket carpark but on the open road.

The Akaroa Highway ... actually ... !!!

And that highway goes from Christchurch ... to Akaroa (funnily enough) ... and unless you can tell us which portion this fast (dangerous) riding occurred (which wasn't mentioned in the first post) ... you will be hard pressed to define his speed (which wasn't mentioned in the first post) as dangerous.

The rest of what you say is kindergarten logic.